NOAC or Original NES???

Kai · Post by **Kai** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 2:08 pm

Hi
since i discovered that a mega joy exsists in germany I'm wondering if i should use a nes or noac
what are the advanteges of nes and noac
(4player, stereo, universal mod(can they play european games), overclocking and such things what can be done to nes what to noac)
are mega joy and mega joy 2 suitable??

peppers · Post by **peppers** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 3:04 pm

the clones are not 100% accurate but they are much smaller

most are below the quality of the average emulator the nes is accurate of course but its much larger and more work to tern into a portable

Kai · Post by **Kai** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 3:53 pm

how do you guy's draw your concepts on the pc ?
(and i still don't know how to overclock a nes and why to)

peppers · Post by **peppers** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 4:04 pm

people overclock becase they feel that the gameplay in sertain game is slowed down if there are a lot of sprites and souch overclocking is there solution I would not recamend doing it all it dose is make it run funkey

I myself prefur to draw out my plans on paper but most people use grid sheets on the computer if you want it in 3d youll have to use something like 3d studio max

SgtBowhack · Post by **SgtBowhack** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 4:57 pm

The NOAC is best for most portable uses. It gets a lot of crap, but it's like 99% accurate (it only has issues with a few games). It's also so much easier to work with than an NES motherboard, because all of the solder points already have solder points, where the NES needs components to be desoldered and stuff. Admittedly, the NES has the benefit of having the 72-pin connector already, and you have to modify the Famicom port to take NES carts. But if you're planning to make a portable, that's something you're going to probably have to deal with regardless.

most are below the quality of the average emulator the nes is accurate of course but its much larger and more work to tern into a portable

I disagree. They are FAR more accurate than emulators. Though emulators have one thing against them- they also need to emulate the mappers. Though we shouldn't confuse this issue: NOAC isn't an emulator, it is a (correct) hardware implementation of the CPU and PPU. Most of the games that don't work are ones that employed some bug of the original hardware that wasn't documented, I'm sure. Most emulators use hacks to get around these things. Also, keep in mind that the "average" emulator only has support for the original iNES mappers or less, and that only supports about half of the NES games around. As it stands, I only know of 2 games the NOACs won't run, and I think Castlevania III is still questionable- I know MMC5 games run fine on mine. The other is Famicom-only, so if NES is all you're interested in, compatibility is quite high.

BTW: Isn't Mega Joy a pirate Genesis? Mine is.

In response to your original question:
4player - If you have the Satellite or Four Score (or the equivalent Euro products) then they should work the same on both, after you make a mod for the port to be the same shape.

stereo - The NES did not have stereo output capabilities. Nor does the NOAC.

universal mod(can they play european games) - If you get a PAL NOAC, then it can play PAL NES games, as far as I know. If I remember correctly, the NES only checked to see if the system was running at 50Hz or 60Hz to decide whether or not to play PAL games.

overclocking - There should still be a crystal somewhere. Changing that crystal = overclocking or underclocking. Pretty much the same as any other video game system out there.

MajorLag · Post by **MajorLag** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 5:50 pm

SgtBowhack wrote: BTW: Isn't Mega Joy a pirate Genesis? Mine is.

Are you sure about that? The Mega Joy is is a precursor(?) to the Super Joy, AFAIK both are NOACs. Radica made a completely legitimate GOAC (Genesis OAC), you sure you aren't mistaking it for that?

Post by **gannon** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 6:09 pm

There are 3 main NOACs available in the US and Europe, those are the Mega Joy series, the Power Joy series, and the Super Joy series. Those chinese companies sure do like the word joy

FastMHz · Post by **FastMHz** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 6:15 pm

There is one major benefit to a real NES that I found and that's sound quality. I have a NOAC and the sound is nowhere near as good as my real NES.

Nes Man · Post by **Nes Man** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 9:15 pm

stereo - The NES did not have stereo output capabilities. Nor does the NOAC.

The Nes can output stereo it has 2 sound chanels. Here is a link to the mod...

http://www.zyx.com/chrisc/nesstereo.html

goodie · Post by **goodie** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 10:00 pm

Its not true stereo, they are just separating the different "instruments".

Nes Man · Post by **Nes Man** » Fri Mar 18, 2005 1:15 pm

You're right. But, it's the closest thing.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Mar 18, 2005 3:23 pm

what's the effect? different instruments? could you send me a sound sample?

peppers · Post by **peppers** » Fri Mar 18, 2005 4:51 pm

SgtBowhack wrote:
most are below the quality of the average emulator the nes is accurate of course but its much larger and more work to tern into a portable
I disagree.

its true that the noac a actual hardware designed to play famicom/nes games but for actually playing the games emulators still play the game more accuratley than MOST clones on the market not onley do they play some games funkey but the timeing is off also its (not quite correct) hardware for emulators the ones i speak of have most mappers emulated in includeing pirate mappers although this argument is pointless all I was saying way its imperfect

Post by **gannon** » Fri Mar 18, 2005 5:02 pm

If I remember right there are over 148 different mappers, although I think only 7 or so are official nintendo ones

peppers · Post by **peppers** » Fri Mar 18, 2005 5:03 pm

yeh I said most not all

timeing is still more off with noac than emulators though nether are perfect