NTSC 64 playing PAL games! update: screen alive!!!

[OhSnap!]

well i am not getting back to the land of oz for another 4 days but i have just secured me a free n64 from a buddy. so the only big things i need now are the batteries and the plastic to cnc the case out of. hoooooray!

[OhSnap!]

I was just looking around for batteries and i found a li-ion 7.4v 6000mah camcorder battery for $21 USD with free shipping. seeing as it is a after market battery it is probably more like 5000mah. Is that a good deal? it has a built in protection circuit too.

[eurddrue]

Yes, that is a good deal. And it probably has its marked capacity because nearly every battery I've ever bought off of ebay has. I think I may have bought that same battery. If you open it up and the cells are pink we probably did.

[OhSnap!]

i think i will buy it if i can scrape some dough together when i get beck

[OhSnap!]

sup homeskittles!
I'm back in australia and am ready do start work on the console.

i am getting the n64 from a friend on friday and i the first step will be connecting my screen to it.

but the only thing is the logic 3 screen only takes rgb, but luckily the australian n64 takes rgb even though it is a PAL unit and doesnt have the ports.
I googled how to get the rgb from the n64 and came across this website: http://www.gamesx.com/rgbadd/rgbn64.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
the diagram is clear enough, but he is telling me that PAL n64s dont have rgb, as it was written before it was discovered that certain ones can.
should i use this guide still?

i also have to find a spare power brick lying around that i can use for the screen testing. is the voltage and amperage requirements for the logic 3 screen the same as the psone screen?

i am also i am scraping together some cashola to by the batteries and plasticat the moment, but it shouldn't take too long.
finally i was wondering about the plastic i should make the case out of. i was thinking about buying 2 small blocks so i could cnc each side out. is that a good idea? if so, what kind of plastc should i get and where would i find a supplier.

[XCVG]

Sorry, PAL N64s don't do RGB. You bought an RGB-only screen to go with your RGB-incapable console.

[OhSnap!]

well we shall see if my n64 has the right chip,if it doesn't i will see if anybody is up for a trade for screens.
i was sold the screen by bacteria who informed me that australian n64s could accept rgb and i will trust his expertise.

[XCVG]

Huh. I know some French N64s can do RGB, but I've never ever heard of Australian N64s. What you need to do is look for a specific chip. It's a chip with about 16 pins methinks, to the right of the RCP. It'll be labeled something like VDC-NUS, AVDC-NUS, or MAV-NUS and there may be others. Look for it.

[bacteria]

There were various articles (on this forum too a while back) to say that the French PAL (not SECAM) N64's and Australian PAL N64's have the extra electronics in the chip to allow for RGB, whereas the UK ones don't. I haven't got a non-UK one so have only managed composite - shipping an N64 from either country is expensive, so I didn't bother and just stayed with composite. People have also swapped the chip on a PAL board for an NTSC one and got RGB that way (daftmike did it, see his thread) - there are many members on this forum who have fried their NTSC N64 boards, they could send you the chip if you ask them nicely! The Logic 3 screen does NTSC and PAL RGB, make sure when you connect it you set the switch to the right setting.

I have to presume these articles talking about PAL RGB to be correct for OZ N64's as I don't have one to test on.

The screen you bought is a good one, nothing wrong with it; I used it initially on my TG project before deciding to stay with official PSone screens. Also handy as it is NTSC as well as PAL.

[XCVG]

Actually daftmike used an NTSC N64 and swapped the PIF chip. But theoretically it would be possible to drop in a VDC-NUS, especially into a board which originally had a VDC-NUS(A).

[OhSnap!]

bacteria are you certain the screen only takes rgb? i have a cable here from my ps2 that is av multi and has the yellow red and white rca connectors on the other end. so i found a power brick to run the screen (turns out it was 5v instead of the 7.5v it said on the sticker according to my father, i really hate these crappy chinese projucts ) and put the cable in, connecting it to my dvd playe.
the sound worked a treat but the video was no go (but the baklight worked) but that may have been because of the powerbrick or something needs fixing.
i suppose that is telling me i need rgb.

when i put the screen in my luggage (wrapper heavily in bubble wrap and put strategically in the bag) the speaker attatched it's self to one of those coppeer wrapped circular thingies and the wire attatched to the speaker must have gotten tugged, causing one of the ends of the copper thingie to break off. i soldered it back on though (i am very proud of myself as it was in an difficult to access place and i managed not to burn any of the wries or components in the process).
piccy:

the broken one was the closest to camera. i also just flattened it like on the picture bacteria sent me and have just re soldered it as i accedently forgot to rough the copper up a bit before i soldered which caused it to come off again. i cant find any other 7.5 volt power bricks besides that one to test it properly

[blaze3927]

I have three NUS -001 n64's bought from Australia, one nus 101 from england, and nus -001 from england, and an unknown The interesting thing about them is when comparing some only have the writing
GND, 5v, R, L, and V
while others have
G, C, +5v, R, L, V, Y, G S

but unfortunatley none of them have the U4 VDC chip..

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this looks like too much effort for rgb on PAL n64's but if you have the time...

http://members.optusnet.com.au/eviltim/ ... 64rgb.html

the guys Australian I think (mentioned ned kelly somewhere on his site) So i presume it is a PAL console he's working on

[XCVG]

Looks like you need an NTSC N64 and some 1337 soldering skillz. You have two choices: swap the PAL PIF chip onto an RGB-capable NTSC N64, or swap an RGB-capable VDC-NUS chip onto a PAL N64.

Actually, I think you have one other choice, which is to find an early model French N64.

[OhSnap!]

well from what i can seen here are my viable options after i check the one i am getting and it doesn't have the chip:

1: trade my screen to somebody who can use it for one i can
2: first trade my pal unit for a ntsc one and switch the region chip from somebody who broke their pal unit and is kind enough to give it to me for free or penuts.
3:upload some hi-res images of the components of the screen and see if anybody can find a way to get it to take composite or something else that i can get my n64 to output.
4: do what xcvg suggested and switch a ntsc VCD-NUS or rgb cmpatible chip into my pal unit.
5: find a french unit capable of rgb

here is my order of preferance: 3rd, 4th, 1st, 2nd, 5th

but if anybody else has some suggestions, they would be warmly welcomed

i really didn't need an issue like this as it is hard enough to make a n64p with the right peices

is there anybody who can give me a rgb chip from their fried ntsc board?

from what i have seen though pal unit's pif chip has a different number of pins to the ntsc one. can somebody advise me on how to switch them out?

[bacteria]

I have an NTSC board and tried swapping the PIF for a PAL one, I got a picture fine but the previous owner of the NTSC board seemed to have damaged something under the board so I had to abandon that (a while back). The PAL video chip is DENC-NUS which cannot do RGB (all the ones I have), the NTSC one is VDC-NUS, which is ok; both chips have 12 pins - however, looking at the boards, there are differences in the boards - 1) the boards are wired differently 2) there is also an extra chip on the NTSC one, ENC-NUS - no idea what that is for but it isn't on the PAL board.

If you don't use the screen for your N64, use it for a different console system - there are a few that do RGB.

Pity you damaged the screen board in transit, hope it still works ok and no permanent damage done.

If you intend to get an NTSC board, I can post you a dead PAL board section with the PIF chip if you want - the PAL chip is PIF(P)-NUS; would send it to you for free, ask for it if you need it. BTW - don't e-mail to my old website anymore please, I just reinstalled Windows to a new computer and forgot the password to my bacteria@modded-by-bacteria.com address, so it is in effect, dead. I can be PM'ed here of course! I have also removed all the guides from my old site (redundant) as everything is improved and uploaded onto my Wordpress site (as per my sig).