I hate Vista

myuusmeow · Post by **myuusmeow** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 10:05 pm

teraflop122 wrote:
And Windows is so easily taken over by a virus, Microsoft is almost asking for viruses to spread and rule their software.
I am sorry for posting so often, but I just had to point out the obvious paradox:

1) people rat on Windows for its lack of security
2) Microsoft builds more security into its next OS
3) people rat on Windows for its new security measures

Have you seen the new security measures?
I had to confirm Windows Update was an ok program.
Same with Windows Live Messenger.
And much more.
Even if it is a little bit exxagerated, it is quite true: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n4mdcXa ... ed&search=

Rekarp · Post by **Rekarp** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 11:15 pm

sgtpepper wrote:
Bibin wrote: I have a MacBook.
I've had to reinstall OSX about 7 times. Now I use XP. Haven't had a problem yet because I properly maintain my computer.

"MAcs" are PC's too.

XP runs a lot faster than OS X does overall on the same machine, even when I first bought it.
That's completely untrue, and at best, a trivial statement. Why have you had to reinstall OS X 7 times? That's just plain ridiculous. Unless you go mucking around in the system folder and start deleting stuff, there's no reason that you would need to reinstall OS X. You either have no idea how to use a Mac, or you are simply lying...

Oh, and you "Haven't had a problem yet" because you "properly maintain" your computer? Well maybe you should try "properly maintaining" OS X.

I thought the purpose of a OSX was that you didnt have to maintain it?

Post by **Skyone** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 11:33 pm

I've never got that either. Why aren't Macs PCs? Is it because you can't customize them or develop on them? Or is it because Apple just needs to classify their awesome product as Sega did blast-processing?

illustriouschin · Post by **illustriouschin** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 11:43 pm

Used car salesmen never call them used cars, they call them "preowned vehicles." I am pretty sure maks are computers for personal use, right? I mean i never heard of a mainframe running MacOS.

Felino · Post by **Felino** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 11:44 pm

Why must I keep correcting people, you can dev on them, and easily as well, and this one I am using here is costomised as hell. People need to learn that no matter what OS people are using, it is still a computer. There is no need for the whole MACvsWindows thing, let people use what they wish, and stop begging people out for the OS they use.

Felino

Post by **Skyone** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 11:48 pm

Customized hardware? I suppose what I'm trying to say is supported customization. I know the development is possible for the Macs, but it isn't anywhere as near sophisticated as what Microsoft offers (MSDN).

We aren't actually arguing (or at least, I'm not; maybe you are), so there is no need to lock this. Opinions are what forums are made for, why should anyone lock this because people are comparing systems?

EDIT: And who the hell are you to come in and order a moderator to lock a thread?

Felino · Post by **Felino** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 2:04 am

Wha? I thought you were slaves to us mortals.

Were did I say that?

Harshboy · Post by **Harshboy** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 4:49 am

I like Vista a lot, but I really hate the fans on my Dell. On XP they'd spin, and spin loud if i Play WoW, or anything that activated my Graphics Card......but now in Vista, everything, even Windows, makes the fans noticeable and annoying.

Anyone know if there are any good replacement fans that are quiet? The noise is pissing me off....The weird thing is, Vista is just as fast as XP, except with more noise

And I just saw someone said that they had a Macbook and had to reinstall OS X on it 7 times, well i have no idea what you're doing, but I never had to reinstall OS X or XP on my Macbook. Macbooks are such great laptops

Felino · Post by **Felino** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 4:54 am

Try some brushless fans, or reducing the fans RPM, that usually works, or magnetic fans, but thats a bit to far in my opinion. The magnet fans actually float or hover, therfore no fricton!

sgtpepper · Post by **sgtpepper** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 6:46 am

Rekarp wrote:
sgtpepper wrote:
Bibin wrote: I have a MacBook.
I've had to reinstall OSX about 7 times. Now I use XP. Haven't had a problem yet because I properly maintain my computer.

"MAcs" are PC's too.

XP runs a lot faster than OS X does overall on the same machine, even when I first bought it.
That's completely untrue, and at best, a trivial statement. Why have you had to reinstall OS X 7 times? That's just plain ridiculous. Unless you go mucking around in the system folder and start deleting stuff, there's no reason that you would need to reinstall OS X. You either have no idea how to use a Mac, or you are simply lying...

Oh, and you "Haven't had a problem yet" because you "properly maintain" your computer? Well maybe you should try "properly maintaining" OS X.
I thought the purpose of a OSX was that you didnt have to maintain it?

Well that's what I thought, but apparently he's an exception

Post by **Sparkfist** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 7:06 am

First OS X. Look I've used OS X, 10.2 to be specific. It's not great but it's better and easier to use then XP to be quite fair. It also has something that XP or indeed all Windows should have and that is a root password, not an administrator account (used as a user account). You can't expect an OS to be perfect, the software is written by people and people make mistakes.

Windows Vista again I'm not too impressed. It lacks too much of what Microsoft promised, and the whole look is a joke. I don't run a machine with shiny look, it wastes useful ram, and only a person who's computer illiterate wouldn't know that. About the only thing Microsoft did that made an improvement is that the lowest end Vista is only $100. Well I think it's worth no more then $50, it's a big improvement over what XP Home was when it came out.

One last thing that I hate about Vista is the lack of a real shut down. What I mean is on my laptop I have to go and log out, then from there restart/shutdown. Otherwise Vista simply puts the machine in hibernation, and makes the user think the system is booting within a few seconds. I think that's a joke, I just want the system to do what I ask it and that is restart/shut down, cause if I'm not in Vista I want to be in Ubuntu.

Security on both. Yeah OS X has that single-user mode that is the achilles heel. However you have to have two things to have it be useful, first is physical access to the system, and secondly is you need to know the command-line (since 10.3 it's been bash, I think). You have lack one of those and what evil can the person do?

Windows will always be full of holes, so long as they keep reusing the same poorly coded system over and over. I know it would take about 10 years for Microsoft to code a system like one of the BSDs but that would ensure better security, even linux can't hold itself on par with say OpenBSD in the area of security.

One last thing is if you by a Mac and you don't know how to use Mac OS what the hell is wrong with you? First there is only one folder in the system file structure (default) that you have any business going into is the program folder (for installing and uninstalling programs), and of coarse the user's personal folder. Touching anything else will be nothing but an invitation for trouble.

teraflop122 · Post by **teraflop122** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 9:05 am

One last thing is if you b(u)y a Mac and you don't know how to use Mac OS what the hell is wrong with you?

I have contemplated buying a Macbook merely because of its impressive engineering. I would have invariably ended up checking out its OS as well, but MacOS wouldn't have seen much use beyond that.

At this point I don't much care what OS I'm using, so long as it does what I need it to. I'm a PC gamer, so I use Windows. If PC games favor MacOS in the future, then I'll end up using MacOS. If the newest games require Vista then Vista I shall use- I don't mind confirming my programs initially, it isn't like I install a dozen new programs every day.

My only remaining problem with MacOS and Apple in general is their juvenile advertising campaign. Specifically, the ads that simply lie-

"Apples are more fun than PC's" (yeah, I know, they are one in the same) they say, but oh wait PC's get all the games while MacOS gets a few, a few months after PC release!

"Look at the IT guy tape a webcam to the dorky PC's head, meenwhile the Mac's have them built right in"- but oh, wait, the first laptop to feature a built in camera was a PC, not a Mac.

"You need to upgrade your processor to run Vista," umm, no. This is completely and utterly untrue.

Apple has a good thing going. They don't need to spoil it with lies and negative advertising. They should not go out of their way to get such an enormously powerful (but not necessarily Better) megacorporation like Microsoft angry. That would be like me walking up and slapping a rhino upside the head.

Analyst's opinion on the subject.

jones · Post by **jones** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 1:01 pm

This just in. Apple products have security holes too!

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,2102730,00.asp

Oh, and would ya look at that! It even affects the version that runs on the vaunted Mac OS as well as the Windows version.

How is this possible?!?!?!?!? I thought Macs were completely immune to any and all potential security attacks. I thought only the evil Bill Gates and his Microsoft corporation had to worry about these things. Not the noble and valiant Steve Jobs and his merry band of environmentally friendly Apple worker bees.

**please note the sarcasm laced throughout this post since it has been established in another thread that sarcasm cannot be conveyed through the arcane tools available on the Internet**

Post by **Triton** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 2:20 pm

if i were to go to a different hardware/OS combo I would hope that somebody ports amigaOS 4 to x86 archetecture (currently only on custom PPC hardware that you cant find anywhere) amigaOS is awesome, there are basically NO viruses for amiga its extremly stable rediculously fast and memory efficient (never needs to page to disk or use Vram etc) looks almost as good as OSX boots from a cold start to useable in under 10 seconds. software support leaves a little bit to be desired but all the needed stuff is there.

Post by **Sparkfist** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 4:12 pm

Triton wrote:if i were to go to a different hardware/OS combo I would hope that somebody ports amigaOS 4 to x86 archetecture (currently only on custom PPC hardware that you cant find anywhere) amigaOS is awesome, there are basically NO viruses for amiga its extremly stable rediculously fast and memory efficient (never needs to page to disk or use Vram etc) looks almost as good as OSX boots from a cold start to useable in under 10 seconds. software support leaves a little bit to be desired but all the needed stuff is there.

For crying out loud, Triton. Why don't you see how big the Amiga OS is, I mean lines of code. Then see about starting an online project to trans-code or port the OS to the x86 CPU. We know you love your Amiga, we know you'd go into a depression should it ever stop working, but come on.

And just so you know the BSD project DragonflyBSD uses Amiga style home directory. That might be the closest you'll get right now to having Amiga OS on the x86 CPU. You know how to navigate a Unix Sytem V (most Linux distros) so figuring out BSD file structure shouldn't be hard.

Though again I say you want Amiga OS that badly you should take the first step and start getting people moving towards it. If there are people still coding on Amigas, and there are people still developing Amiga compatible hardware you should find some people that will support the idea.