Laptop problems... Again!

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Laptop problems... Again!

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Well I'm in the process of getting rid of windows 2k and putting xp pro (special edition :lol: ) on my Dell L400. It has no CD or floppy drive so I googled about and found at about putting on a usb stick, 3 hours later after the xp whole disk had been copied to my flash drive I find out that my laptop doesn't support usb boot :lol:

Anyway I think my next move would be a network boot a have googled but I didn't really understand, Is there any chance that anyone could talk me through it. Final resort to this would be that we have external cd drives at my old work place but they work off usb so I don't think it would work but I can get a hold of the drive if a really need to.

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Post by Mister X »

Don't ever use any "special" editions of Windows. Nine times out of ten, they're infested with keyloggers and other AIDS.

Alright, I had a Dell Latitude L400 before. It's dead now because of zipper failure. The system fell right out of the bag and POW, right in the kisser. Goddamn Targus... but I digress! The way I installed XP on that POS is as follows:

The L400 requires EXPENSIVE cables and PROPRIETARY DRIVES to boot from CD or floppy. Screw off, Dell.

So what you can do is go on ebay, and order a 2.5" HDD to 3.5" adapter. It's just a little board with connectors on both ends of it. Shouldn't be more than a couple dollars, shipping included. Now comes the fun part. You download the disk images for DOS 7.10 from http://ms-dos7.hit.bg/

Write them to CD or floppy, whatever, you'll need a desktop for this part. Connect your L400's HDD to the desktop, optionally, disconnect all other HDDs to prevent accidental catastrophic screwups. Boot the desktop to wherever you have DOS 7.10. Now you'll use DOS 7.10's setup to install DOS 7.10 onto the L400 HDD. Yes, this is dragging on, but blame Dell. Once you have DOS on the HDD, copy WinXP's installation disc onto the drive. Do this any way you like, USB, booting from your primary drive on the desktop and copying from there, whatever.

Once you have DOS 7.10 bootable on the drive, and XP's installation files copied onto it, shut down the desktop, remove the L400 drive, and put it back in the L400 caddy, then into the system. Now you boot the system. You'll start in DOS, naturally. From here, you jump to the directory of WinXP's installer. Say, c:\winxp\i386

Now run winnt.exe

This will start a DOS-compatible Windows XP installation. When XP is done installing, you can ditch DOS 7.10's directories and whatnot, you don't need them anymore. The reason you use DOS 7.10 is because it's FAT32 compatible. Makes it a LOT easier to install XP when you're not stuck with a 2GB primary partition. You can convert the drive to NTFS without formatting after XP is installed.

XP should have all of the L400's drivers in it from the get go, at least the network driver, so you can at least use the internet for the rest.
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Post by vskid »

Just as a side note to what Mister X said, you can use another laptop (with a CD drive) instead of a desktop and adapter. Just in case you have another laptop you could use and don't want to get an adapter.

And nice guide, Mister X.
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Post by thehackerinside »

Thanks I'll have to try that sounds pretty easy and don't worry I've used this copy of xp a couple of times and no AIDs yet :wink: .

Good to hear someone else had a L400 they really are great little laptops even though my friends take the piss out off it because it looks old :lol: !

Thanks a lot!
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Post by thehackerinside »

vskid wrote:Just as a side note to what Mister X said, you can use another laptop (with a CD drive) instead of a desktop and adapter. Just in case you have another laptop you could use and don't want to get an adapter.

And nice guide, Mister X.
Just saw that cheers that sounds even better than buying the adapter.

On a side note does anyone know if the sony vaio PCMCIA cd drive would work with it as many people from what I have read is that this drive works with other laptops, Its just its ideal really as its powered off the PCMCIA and is nice and compact just what I need as I don't wanna really buy the £200 quid dvd do everything super drive with usb which most likely wouldn't even work with my laptop.

:lol: O the fun of owning a dell!

Joe

EDIT: and it need to be fat32 right?
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Post by Mister X »

I miss my L400. It could run just about everything that wasn't 3D in Mame32. Metal Slug 3, Street Fighter Alpha 2, you name it, no slowdown. Aces.

Well, they're only a couple hundred on ebay, maybe I'll buy another in the future. When I have hundreds of dollars to spend on tertiary-grade laptops.

USB-boot capabilities make this process SO DAMNED EASY, which is why the L400 irritated me so. It was certainly new enough to support booting from USB devices, but Dell opted to skip that bit of essential functionality.

FAT32 for large drive support. FAT16 = 2GB limit.

Dunno about PCMCIA drives, never had one, so I have no experience with them.

Also, good luck installing XP across two laptops. Windows HATES being transferred mid-installation, and even more POST-installation.
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Mister X wrote:Also, good luck installing XP across two laptops. Windows HATES being transferred mid-installation, and even more POST-installation.
What I meant was doing the exact same thing you said, but with another laptop to install DOS and copy the XP install files over. Then swap it back to the l400 and do the whole XP install.
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Post by lifeisbetterwithketchup »

Sorry to bump an oldish thread, but I'm trying to install XP on my Lifebook (finally got a HDD with the space to dual boot) and it has no optical drive either. So I managed to get DOS 7.10 bootable onto the HDD, but when I ran winnt.exe, after copying a bunch of files, it says that Setup can't find the EULA and can't continue. EULA.txt is in the I386 folder, and everything google got me pointed towards formatting the partition as NTFS. I converted the partition to DOS using XP on my desktop (convert j: fs/ntfs), and that resulted in DOS not booting anymore. Obviously, DOS is no fan of NTFS, but it was kind of a last resort anyway.

Any suggestions to solve my problem?
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What are you trying to dual boot? If it's a distribution of Linux, I would suggest installing that first, it might help get things moving. And you can do a network install, so all the easier.

As for the Windows.... You have no access to a USB CD-ROM drive? Just so you know an enclosure for making one would cost about $20-30.
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External DVD drive.
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Post by thehackerinside »

Dr. KillGood wrote:External DVD drive.
Some laptops like mine don't support USB boot which is my problem, Not that sure on lifebooks though.

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Post by lifeisbetterwithketchup »

Yeah, my lifebook can't boot from USB.

I'm dual booting with Linux, and I have installed it over the network before, but I've notice in the past that dual-booting is easiest when I install Windows first (because Linux is fine with seeing other OS's, and Windows hates it. :lol:).
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Post by Mister X »

Ugh... I want to claw my eyes out. Or someone else's.

WINNT.EXE will run from a DOS prompt, so any DOS boot disk should work. There...

Wait, how in the hell do you expect anybody to be able to sort your problem for you if you don't say EXACTLY which hardware you're using, and what drives and boot options you have available to you?
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Post by lifeisbetterwithketchup »

I have a fujitsu lifebook B2610 and it can only boot from the hdd or via ethernet.
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Post by Mister X »

Right then, same operation.

Remove HDD, pop it onto a PATA adapter board (like $2 on ebay), mount it in a desktop, wipe the drive, partition it as desired, and format the primary partition as FAT32. Then you get to install DOS 7 (free, recognizes FAT32). THEN you get to copy your XP or Win2K CD onto the drive. Then you simply pop the laptop drive back into the laptop, boot into DOS, then run c:\whereveryouputXP'sinstallationfiles\i386\winnt.exe . Setup will begin; choose the location to install to, and off you go.
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