Bacteria project: N64³: --abandoned--

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Re: Bacteria project: N64³ - WIP: smallest N64 in world or bust!

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Good idea rotating the board like that, I like it.

Not sure how you are going about the cutting, but i would cut first, tidy up the edges then start wiring, it would probably be more organised that way as you could see where you have been more easily, anyway you go about it you definitely have your work cut out, good luck :wink:

Also if you are going to use another board to compare the wiring, remember that the PAL revisions are slightly different to that NTSC one.
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Indeed. I have a small graveyard of N64's! :lol:

My plan was indeed to cut up a new one, then check the wiring for rewiring using an uncut board. I only had one NTSC board, which I will ditch.

It will be hard to complete the wiring, but will be a great achievement if it pulls off. I am surprised on-one else thought before about rotating the board and slashing it!
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Oh my god bacteria. Oh my god. :shock: I never would have thought! Wow, incredible. Amazing. Astounding. Superior.

Combining what skills you've shown before + the picture I just saw, I will never doubt your skills again. And I now agree with your topic title! :D

I am SO looking forward to seeing this done, and have always wanted to see a portable styled like that. You should rewire the psone screen to the exact size of the LCD, I know you can do it, plus it would add to the epic. Looking forward to readin 30+ pages of your progress! :P

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bacteria, maybe you should blow on your mobo and wipe it off with a non-static towel. the reason i say that is because on my nes, I dremeled off some of the ground. I didn't wipe or blow off the dremel dust (which was probably conductive since it was just a bunch of metal ground), and when I turned of=n the system there was a buzzing niose. The noise only came when I plugged in video, which was odd. But I then cleaned the board with a rag, and it worked with no buzz. Now it is possible you have some dremel dust laying between two connections on your mobo.
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HYDRO THUNDER FTW BACTERIA!!! It's looking pretty good so far, does the final attempt mean that you've fried the other boards? I've read all of the posts so far and haven't noticed anything about frying, but you said this was the final attempt.

p.s. I'm going to jack your thread for a second, what did eruedude get banned for?
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SS - Thanks! Assuming the N64 works after slice and rewire, I plan on doing the same on the PSone screen board, some of the board can be trimmed off anyway (grounds) and the rest should be able to be cut and sliced too as with the N64 board; however I don't plan on doing this unless I succeed with the N64 board - N64 boards are very cheap, PSone screens are not!

BTW, really pleased I invested in a GameBit a while back, I can open an N64, remove the shielding, screws, heatsink blocks and remove the board in 6 minutes flat!

Although I spent literally 2 days on wiring the board and now starting again, at least I proved to myself that I could solder successfully to such small connections, to me, that is quite something.

Issue I know I will get is when folding back small mobo sections, that imposes on what is behind, so the way around that is to keep the thicker round cells I am using as they only cover about 60% of the width of the screen and about 75% of the height; so there would be space for the board remainders to fit alongside; as well as the controller board (hopefully). Would be nice to use the slim Li-pos Skyone suggested, however until I have everything in place I don't know if I can or use Li-ions for the reason mentioned above (plus of course they are effectively free as I already have them).

Yes, could be on line for another 30 page WIP, you lucky thing! :lol: (or just a couple more pages only, if the N64 board doesn't want to go "slimming" and the project dies.

themadhacker - Good advice. I used my compressed air can as I normally do, however it would be extremely easy for particles to get wedged in between the chips pins and I might not be able to see them or remove them either. I haven't had the electrical buzz before (BTW, came from the speakers on the PSone screen, even though I didn't wire audio up), so your advice is probably right. I normally also use a craft knife to slice the edges from a section I have cut a board section out from (learnt from my TurboGrafx project recently); didn't do on this occasion, although I should have.

When I slice the board this time I will cover the pins on the chips with electrical tape so they can't accumulate any metal dust. Thanks.

thewise1 - I wanted to use one of my many so-so game carts for testing, as I was feeding 3.3v and 12v directly to the cart; if anything went wrong with the cart it wouldn't be so bad.

Board is working, not fried, however I originally planned to remove the top then also slice the board, however I didn't think first that I would get a similar end result by just slicing. I therefore have masses of intricate wiring for no reason, and will make slice and rewiring the other section far too hard.

Mentioned "final attempt" because I think I only have a couple of N64's left, don't see them really cheap so much these days. Thinking about it, I have the board from my Multi-system I can cannabalise, so I probably have two N64 boards I can spare! In my N64 graveyard, I have the original one I fried with too many volts, the NTSC one (needs to be binned), two I failed with trying an expansion pack relocation a few months ago, and now the one I successfully did above, but is now no use to me (and has the electical buzzing).

By cutting along the line I shown above, it looks like I will only have to wire probably about 5 wires from the cart slot pins as all the other traces will be intact - I just wire a game cart directly to the pins as normal. the wires I will have to do will only be two audio wires and the three to the PIF chip (which has nice large pins). The bit behind the cart pins can be trimmed, the bit below the expansion pack can be trimmed. I could end up with an N64 board 112 x 102mm potentially; the PSone screen itself is 117 x 94mm. Hey, that means if I rotate the N64 board, it will mean perfect size.

This is the size I am aiming at - just the size of the PSone screen itself (metal tabs removed) - as you notice, just enough room for an N64 game cart (internal) and cart slot with crammed wiring. This is why if I succeeded, this would be the smallest N64 portable in the world, although it would be a bit chunky - however thinking about it, having it about 60-70mm thick wouldn't be a bad thing, as it gives space to comfortably use a d-pad, joystick and A + B buttons.

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Yeah, if you cannot succeed, I'll give it a go. And I can almost say, you are at a level where you probably won't have any more problems with the screen(as in that you should know it front and back like I do! :P), so the N64 is the only real challenge. Best of luck, really hoping everything works out for ya!

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Thanks SS. Thanks to my recent work with fine soldering and board cutting, I feel I am certainly at the stage where I can pull off reducing the N64 board. Cutting it will be really careful as consideration has to be made on the back of the board, making a channel that doesn't damage the capacitors and jumps on the back of the board. I have two choices, desolder the U4 chip and cut through the middle of the board under it, then relocate it or cut to the right of it between the U4 and U1 chips. I will have a go presently and post pics. Haven't much time though today, only just over an hour to play with, so will be Monday before I can work on the rewiring.

I am hoping no-one tries/succeeds with this before I do! :roll: as if I hadn't publicised this project no-one would be the wiser!!

Got my PSP slim joystick from Hong Kong today; it is really small - it only needs 4mm inside the case - wow! :shock: When I open up an N64 third party controller i'm going to test it and see how good it is. If it is good, I am seriously thinking about remaking my PSone portable, and also using these sticks for future projects too - anyway, let's see how they fare!

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UPDATE - Started cutting the board, first cuts are very careful cuts through the board with a craft knife, which takes a long time, but I have to be careful not to damage the electronics underneath; nearly done; then I can cut the rest of the board with my dremel as I normally would.

Nothing worth posting yet to show, will show when the section is removed and cleaned of debris - may be done over weekend, but certainly on Monday if not - then it is a case of rewiring and hoping I don't have a dead board at the end of it.

The 2nd board will need to be wired under the N64 board and the controller, memory card and rumble card will need to be alongside (they have to be somewhere). I will have an area just under 68 x 94mm for all these combined items, including wiring, which hopefully will be enough. Details like this will be a case of seeing what I can do at the time.
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WOW, those sticks are awesome!

I'm really looking forward to seeing how this project turns out. Excited, excited, excited!
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When you get your 3rd party n64 controller, be sure to compare to the joystick's PCB to ben's diagram! I'm a bit skeptical as to how this'll work in a regular controller. I mean, I've seen a replacemnt analoug stick for that, BUT IN REVERSE? :lol: Can't wait to see it.

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The PSP joystick has 4 pins; one is ground, one VCC data, one Horizontal, one Vertical. On a normal joystick, one of the 3 pins on horizontal is ground, one VCC, the middle one is horizontal; similar to the vertical 3 pins; as such, 4 pins can do all anyway. Just need to wire it up at a later stage and confirm what pin does what. I have a pinout saved somewhere which shows what pin does what - Ben did a PSP mod and replaced the PSP joystick that way with a normal joystick.

I got a black joystick as it will compliment my red and black design.

If these sticks are good, it will be a great asset to making small case portables - no big joysticks sticking out!

The place I chose to cut the board should be fine - not interfered with the traces going between the main chips and the memory chips; only to the PIF chip.
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They do work. They only have 2mm of travel, though; Terrible for precise control. :(

If you need a red one, I know a place where you can get them cheap.
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palmertech wrote:They do work. They only have 2mm of travel, though; Terrible for precise control. :(

If you need a red one, I know a place where you can get them cheap.
You could have just said "If you need a red one, you could get one -here- for cheap."
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Because I am typing this from low powered PDA. I refuse to spend 10 minutes looking for it on dealextreme. :lol:

If you go to dealextreme and wade through like 10 pages of stuff, it will be found. It is in the new arrivals category somewhere, too.

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