First the VHS bit the dust. Now THIS too!?

Negative_Creep · Post by **Negative_Creep** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 8:04 am

As long as people will listen to Jungle/DnB. Vinyl is going nowhere.

DnB is probably the rearest genre of music for digital DJs i've seen. With a lot of listeners perferring the Vinyl sound to the Digital sound

Atari Dogs · Post by **Atari Dogs** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 8:51 am

The last vinyl I had was a read along Yogi Bear book.

Truthfully, though. My cousin has a collection, and they packed some cool add ins with albums. The stickers in a Kiss Album, Poster size posters - how about that Queen bicycle race. Ohh, and that art work on an album kicks what is on a cds book's ass. Of course kids now a days probably don't care about that.

Post by **bicostp** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 9:53 am

Hey, I never said records sucked, I said CDs give you a better representation of the original recording.

themadhacker · Post by **themadhacker** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 11:30 am

I remember my 4th grade teacher had a laserdisk player. we watched crappy science videos and crap like that on it.

Oh, and records piss all over cds. I just wish my local thrift stores had some good records.

Arrow--> · Post by **Arrow-->** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 1:40 pm

i slept through those videos, it was more like slideshow anyway

nitro2k01 · Post by **nitro2k01** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 3:02 pm

bicostp wrote:Hey, I never said records sucked, I said CDs give you a better representation of the original recording.

There's a lot of arguing about that. For most intents and purposes, CD's are superior. The bit depth can represent finer dynamics than the human ear can detect. The sample rate is higher (Can represent higher pitched frequencies) than what the human ear can hear. (*)
The main problem with CD vs vinyl is how the tracks are mastered - that is, how they are prepared by the audio engineer. CD tracks are usually limited harder, meaning they are given less dynamic space. This makes the sound appear louder, but in the same time less natural. The reason for this is probably that music sold on CD's should sound good on a wider variety of players, everything from ear buds to lo-fi $10 CD players. The downside is that you won't get the full fidelity of the track when played back on a hi-fi system.
Read more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness_war

Then there are other aspects like how vinyls are slowly being worn down by the needle. it won't happen overnight or completely destroy the record (Unless it's a dubplate

) but give a record say 50 plays, and it will lose some of its brightness.

Overall, CD can be a mostly superior format, if the tracks are mastered properly. Most people who buy vinyl probably do it because they have an emotional attachment to the format. (Or for the usability if they're dj's)

*) However it has been suggested that we can be emotionally touched, unconsciously, by ultrasonic sounds, and vinyls can in fact represent those frequencies. However, the vast majority of speakers can't represent those frequencies anyway.

RockNRoll! · Post by **RockNRoll!** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 10:01 pm

nitro2k01 wrote:The main problem with CD vs vinyl is how the tracks are mastered - that is, how they are prepared by the audio engineer. CD tracks are usually limited harder, meaning they are given less dynamic space. This makes the sound appear louder, but in the same time less natural. The reason for this is probably that music sold on CD's should sound good on a wider variety of players, everything from ear buds to lo-fi $10 CD players. The downside is that you won't get the full fidelity of the track when played back on a hi-fi system.
Read more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness_war

This. Mastering makes more difference in sound quality than any other factor. Just look at modern music in audacity and most of it will look like a solid brick of sound waves without any variation or dynamic range. Plus vinyl is cool.

Twilight Wolf · Post by **Twilight Wolf** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 10:05 pm

I knew there was some kind of difference when listening to a CD and an LP back-to-back, but I could never put my finger on it. (Well, aside from the traditional crackle and pops of LPs.) I think that explanation pins it down nicely.

That said, for casual listening, I typically like LPs a little more, but if I want to take my music with me, nothing beats being able to just pop a CD into the computer, rip it to iTunes, and copy it to my iPod.

cowsgoquack101 · Post by **cowsgoquack101** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 10:27 pm

I don't understand something though, VHS's are still being produced and Panasonic had a Blu-ray/VHS combo at CES I think.

Gump-in-space · Post by **Gump-in-space** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 7:54 pm

I just watched a show on the History Channel about "Retro Tech." Rainbow Records in California says they produce one record for every four CDs. I say that's far from dead compared to the cassette tape and the 8-track. (By the way, any hardcore fans of that format?

)

I wish I could get my music in analog format, but I don't have a player and buying music from the store is outrageously expensive. What's worse is the fact that any good, new song on the radio is going to play every day, four or five times a day until I'm so sick of it I change the station just to listen to "NO FINANCING TO 2012- ONLY AT BOB DANCE KIA!"

Buying music in physical format is too dificult for a teenager with no job. Even when I do like a CD enough to buy it, I can't find it at Circuit City (R.I.P.) which is the best place to get music in town. When I do, it's $15.00, which is bad, considering the music can be puchaced online for much cheaper, or even for free if you're morally okay with that (I am, and so is 70 percent of all teenagers according to a recent study.)

I don't know. The whole "format" thing is a head-scratcher. Still, I'm happy that records are selling so strong- a sign that some things will still be around when I'm old enough to pay for them.

grossaffe · Post by **grossaffe** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 7:59 pm

I only remember seeing a laser disk once, and that was in my 5th grade classroom. It was clunky and bad.

Jongamer · Post by **Jongamer** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 8:47 pm

Yeah I only remember seeing Laserdiscs in my Science/Health classes.

And no LaserDisc did not outlast VHS, from the way I am seeing it, they just stopped making the players now, well they still make VHS players in those DVD/VHS combo units, and I see shi*loads of those at stores.

I still have not seen a VHS movie in over a year, I am dead serious, I can't even remember when the last time I watched a VHS tape.

Though I should archive the ones that are down in my basement sometime, I just need to get my TV tuner card installed sometime.

Any software for recording through a TV tuner that anyone would like to recommend? Preferably free, if not free I can always pirate it

Post by **benheck** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 9:18 pm

Laserdisc was pretty cool, but the video was encoded in composite, so even with a good connection to the TV it had limitations, specifically in color definition.

The sound was far better than anything at that time.

DVD on the other hand uses YUV encoding and a higher resolution. Any well-encoded DVD hides the compression artifacts fairly well.

Digital television, cable, now THAT looks like crap.

Blu-Ray has already become more popular than Laserdisc, hopefully giving it a future better than an videophile's niche format.

lifeisbetterwithketchup · Mon Jan 19, 2009 9:33 pm

benheck wrote:Digital television, cable, now THAT looks like crap.

Amen to that! Broadcast ATSC isn't too bad, but Comcast's digital cable looks like upscaled YouTube. I can't see how anyone would pay for Comcast's digital cable (what really bothers me is that I know people willing to pay big bucks for garbage quality).

Rototiller · Post by **Rototiller** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 9:34 pm

lifeisbetterwithketchup wrote:
benheck wrote:Digital television, cable, now THAT looks like crap.
Amen to that! Broadcast ATSC isn't too bad, but Comcast's digital cable looks like upscaled YouTube. I can't see how anyone would pay for Comcast's digital cable (what really bothers me is that I know people willing to pay big bucks for garbage quality).

look at "meet the spartans" for example.