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jjhammerstein · Post by **jjhammerstein** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 3:06 pm

And people with one eye can still drive.
AND, you only need one eye for a sight.

I second that crap calling.

SonyPortableizer · Post by **SonyPortableizer** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 3:07 pm

copulate it. This is way too serious.
Im getting the M6 sniper Swiss gun.
Im smart, no one gives a crap when we play its al good.

And I have a waver I make parents and kids sign before we play. They are all good until 2020. And give us a link to the supposed deaths. Or the ones where idiots were playing with no mask.
Ill shoot m friends 5 feet away with this gun and they wont give a hoot. It will hurt them but we dont care, or tell on each other so its all good.

If there are any flaws let me know

MY WAVER
AIRSOFT
ASSOCIATION
industry insurance programs

READ CAREFULLY
WAIVER AND RELEASE OF LIABILITY

In consideration of furnishing services and /or equipment to enable me
to participate in airsoft games, I agree as follows:
I fully understand and acknowledge that; (a) risks and dangers exist in my use of Airsoft
equipment and my participation in Airsoft activities; (b) my participation in such activities
and/or use of such equipment may result in my injury or illness including but not limited to
bodily injury, disease strains, fractures, partial and/or total paralysis, eye injury, blindness, heat
stroke, heart attack, death or other ailments that could cause serious disability; (c) these risks
and dangers may be caused by the negligence of the owners, employees, officers or agents
of corresponding players the negligence of the participants, the negligence of others, accidents,
breaches of contract, the forces of nature or other causes. These risks and dangers may arise
from foreseeable or unforeseeable causes; and (d) by my participation in these activities
and/or use of equipment, I hereby assume all risks and dangers and all responsibility for any
losses and/or damages, whether caused in whole or in part by the negligence or other
conduct of the owners, agents, officers, or by any other
person.
I, on behalf of myself, my personal representatives and my heirs, hereby voluntarily agree
to release, waive, discharge, hold harmless, defend and indemnify Connor Evans and itâ€™s
owners, agents, and officers from any and all claims, actions or losses for bodily
injury, property damage, wrongful death, loss of services or otherwise which may arise out of
my use of Airsoft equipment or my participation in Airsoft activities, I specifically
understand that I am releasing, discharging and waiving any claims or actions that I may
have presently or in the future for the negligent acts or other conduct by the owners, or agents of _________ This waiver is good till 2050.

I HAVE READ THE ABOVE WAIVER AND RELEASE AND BY SIGNING IT AGREE IT IS MY INTENTION
TO EXEMPT AND RELIEVE _________ FROM LIABILITY FOR PERSONAL INJURY, PROPERTY
DAMAGE OR WRONGFUL DEATH CAUSED BY NEGLIGENCE OR ANY OTHER CAUSE.

Print Name
Age
Date of Birth

Signature

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Signature of Parent/Guardian

(if less than 18 yrs old) DATE:______________________________

HotDog-Cart · Post by **HotDog-Cart** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 9:30 pm

Uhm, you have no depth perception if you only have one eye.

Also, I have to say your an idiot if your going to shoot your freinds from 5 feet away with a 400fps sniper rifle that shoots .48 gram BBs. (And, if that sniper rifle is lower than 400fps, than its a peice of crap. Just to tell you.)

Airsoft Newbie Buying Guide: http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=58784

Infact, I'll post for you guys. I'll link them to this forum post, and see what they think about it.

EDIT: To reduce flaming from them here on BH, I have just copied sony's most recent forum post and made a post about it on their forum.

Here: Airsoft Causes Ocular Damage
http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=10975

Heres a link to thier input and opinions about sony wanting to shoot someone from 5ft away.
http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=74133

I also cant find the news article about an airsoft death. There was one that happened in Japan, and one in Canada that happened to a little kid. (One of the posters on the last link I sent, remembers the article and remembers it being in the Toronto Sun news paper 6 years ago.)

In the end, shooting your freind from 5ft away, with a 400 fps gun is going to do some "nasty" damage.

Also, legally you have to be over 18 to use or own an airsoft gun. Heck, the box that your M6 will come in, will say that.

With that said, by all means. Buy the gun if you want. Have fun. Just please, do NOT shoot anyone with that sniper rifle UNLESS: They are wearing the proper protection AND if your over the minimum engage distance away from them. (Usually about 100ft)

vskid · Post by **vskid** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 10:34 pm

HotDog-Cart wrote:Uhm, you have no depth perception if you only have one eye.

I have a lazy eye, gives me about the same depth perception as only having one eye (left eye dominant though I can actively switch to the other, my right eye looks to the right a bit, pretty much gives me widescreen vision). I drive, shoot, all sorts of things. Doesn't make them impossible, just a bit harder. I've also had it my whole life, so I don't know what I'm missing.

HotDog-Cart · Post by **HotDog-Cart** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 10:40 pm

Your lucky. My freind got denied a license due to him having one eye permanantly blind. Yet he did also have not that good eye for the other eye, that definatly contributed to the matter. I may have been wrong on this case (about the eye), but still. Please dont shoot people from that close.

I hope theres no hard feelings anyone (espcially sony), I'm just looking out for you.

Also, I dont know what the rules are there. But like I said, here you need to be 18+ to own a airsoft gun, or to use one. And that waivers are useless. I hope that those parents done see that you said you want to shoot someone from 5ft away. Heck, with my AK, I have a 10ft mercy kill range.

palmertech · Post by **palmertech** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 11:21 pm

HotDog-Cart wrote: Also, think about this. (This is to palmertech)

Now, a sniper rifle 8mm (or 6mm) .48 or larger BB going at 400+ fps (About 480), will break the skin. I know this for a 100 percent fact. Heck, think about what would happen if that hit you in the eye. It would go through the goggles (Ive seen it happen), and possibly blind or kill you.

Ive never in my life saw a 600fps AIRSOFT gun. Heck, legally here in Canada, they are under 500fps. As if its over 500fps, its considered a firearm. Ive been to a few US games, and Ive never saw or heard of a 600fps gun. Maybe someone extremely modded their bolt action sniper rifle, but thats insane to do.

I am not an airsoft expert, but I am 90% sure there are different weight BBs (6 gram/8gram?).

As for 600 fps: http://www.airsplat.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=GR-KJW-M700-TD
"Initial bullet speed: 600fps."
Obviously, if a commercial product is sold that easily, it would not be hard to mod a gun to shoot 600fps at all. This is America, where we like big, powerful guns.

Keep in mind I was going off the word of the guy who owned the rifle that it went 600fps, but it seems reasonable.

Where do you buy your airsoft equipment? I want to make sure to personally avoid any place selling airsoft goggles that shatter on impact.

And 480fps is a lot different than 400fps.

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HotDog-Cart · Post by **HotDog-Cart** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 6:29 am

When I say 400 fps, I typically mean anything around that number. Also, 600 fps. I highly doubt that guns 600fps with .48 grams. Its probably 600fps with .20 gram or something like that. Way too dangerous to actually use. And yea, theres different sizes but 6mm is the most common.

Now, typical equipment is: Goggles (Net or plexiglass), BBs, Gun, Military Clothing, Knee Pads, PASGT Helmet, Gloves, etc. The thing is, there are some people who like to use "Biodegradable" BBs. They shatter on impact. If your wearing a Metal Mesh Net Goggle, that bb will shatter and go into your eye. Now you know, and knowing is HALF the battle. People wear net mesh goggles because its physically impossible for them to fog up, because its just a metal mesh.

Post by **Triton** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 12:21 pm

all i will say on the matter is if you get injured operating or while engaging in use of airsoft guns its either A) an unavoidable freak accident (flawed safety equipment or sheer stupidity) or B) your own goddamn fault for being an idiot.

from that other forum

Only documented case I've seen of a 6mm airsoft gun killing someone was in Japan, and involved a hypothetically highly upgraded NBB shooting metal BBs. The weapon was never recovered and the crime never solved, so very little information is available.

I dont believe the projectile from an airsoft gun can possibly be directly responsible for killing someone, unless it some how magically struck them in a very important nerve or artery.

Really the only way I can think of killing someone with an airsoft gun is bludgeoning them to death with it.

I've seen bb's embed in the skin but that's the most damage I've seen. I've heard reports of eye damage and players getting injured while playing but I've never heard anyone died yet bec of a direct hit from an airsoft gun. Mind you, some of the guys here have been playing since airsoft was invented (Damn, do I feel old)!

Physics much? The odds of killing someone with a Crayola crayon are higher than with an airsoft gun. Low end pellet guns carry more energy than most airsoft guns and most of those can't even kill a rodent in a humane manner.

To be deadly to even a newborn infant, you're looking at something that could take small game, which takes you to the higher end (>500 FPS) pellet guns; airsoft doesn't go anywhere near that.

So short of some freak accident where someone has the muzzle of a highly upgraded sniper rifle stuck up his nostril or eyeball, or some equally boneheaded scenario, the likelihood anyone would die from airsoft is just about nil.

SonyPortableizer · Post by **SonyPortableizer** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 2:34 pm

Whoopdie do.
This should be closed soon, but if mods dont mind keep it open.
Ok, We all wear masks.
My rule in no shooting below the bottom of neck and up(Just to be safe) because I have been shot there before.
I also just do stomach/chest or leg shots. the fps will be very low for higher weight bbs for more accuracy.
So someone died, we all wear masks! How can it go through a solid piece of plastic then another, then the face then penetrate the kill?
No one will get hurt. And if it does, ill give you my N64p(The L64). Thats how confident I am. And I love and treasure that.
My name is connor, my friends matt, chris, robert, zach. We all live and play near DC. Anything on the news and youll know it was us then.
nothing will happen, it will be safe and they are not worried I showed them all the forums and stuff.

SonyPortableizer · Post by **SonyPortableizer** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 3:26 pm

Sweet!
Great news everybody, I have a friend of a friend at school who owns this gun!
-Im gonna have him shoot me at 5 feet away(Not near dangerous parts)and If I seriously get hurt or it hurts more then the time I cut my finger on a deli slicer ill, or shot by a bb gun not get it. Pics of wound to be coming soon.
Its not stupid, I know what Im doing as is he.

EDIT: That hurt very little. It stung for a couple of seconds then nothing. exactly 5 feet away. Right on the skin. o too much pain at all.
Here is a pic of the wound with a ruler for size reference.
Link 1
Link 2
Please no screen-stretching images! -B6

Yea, so it shouldn't be a bad gun. So now what?

HotDog-Cart · Post by **HotDog-Cart** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 9:39 pm

Your going to let some kid shoot you from 5ft away with a 400 fps gun? Even after people who have been doing airsoft for like multiple years, say its a stupid thing to do? (Not me, check the links I gave ya, sony. So many people on that website said what your doing is a horrible idea., essentially.)

Whatever man. Its your body, not mine. If you cry, and bleed. I'll laugh. If you dont cry or bleed, I'll laugh because the guns either crap, or the fact that your bullet proof is amazing.

You also say noone will get "hurt"...., wrong. Some people classify hurt as the displeasent feeling that you get when you injure yourself. Such as scraping or cutting a finger, a paper cut, a bruise, a gunshot wound, a limb cut off, etc. Lol.

Your definition is probably different than mine

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No hard feelings though. Just please, be safe. You're still being quite oblivious, due to the fact that airsoft snipers have a 100ft engage distance, and your willing to get shot by one from 5ft away.

SonyPortableizer · Post by **SonyPortableizer** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 9:48 pm

Allright then. Also im not stupid, just stubborn to prove a point; illl never do it again. And this gun has a 55ft range according to reviews. Also sorry Blacksix, It wasn't screen stretching for me when I posted. Wont happen again, I guarantee it

Post by **Triton** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 9:54 pm

You also say noone will get "hurt"...., wrong. Some people classify hurt as the displeasent feeling that you get when you injure yourself. Such as scraping or cutting a finger, a paper cut, a bruise, a gunshot wound, a limb cut off, etc. Lol.

my definition of "hurt" is if it requires surgery to fix you are hurt

HotDog-Cart · Post by **HotDog-Cart** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 6:55 am

Oh, only a 55ft? Still a little more than 5ft, but thats like a low end sniper rifle. haha. But heck, it may be good for what your using. Before you buy, check avaliablity for parts. Most airsoft guns only have a 30 day warranty.

bioniclebert · Post by **bioniclebert** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 8:28 pm

Airsoft kid here,
Depends how much you want to spend on this thing, how you play, and what kind of firepower you're looking for.
My primary is the Classic Army M15A4 carbine.
Here's a link: http://www.airsplat.com/Items/ERA-CA-M15-CARB.htm

If you're looking for a good mid priced AEG, look for ECHO 1's or JG's. I have the JG SIG 552 and It's a great preformer. You can get it at airsplat for around $115. The JG MP5's tend to go for $89-100 at airsplat. If you want a good airsoft review of a few echo 1 AEG's, you can check out "Airsoft Reports" on youtube.

You could also try the CA Sportline carbines or the G&G sportlines. Both will serve you well at around $150.

Lots of info. If you have any specific questions, ask.
-Bioniclebert.