Questo o Quella: Does it really matter?

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Poll ended at Tue Nov 04, 2008 5:56 pm

Barack Obama
28
36%
John McCain
26
34%
Other
7
9%
No one
3
4%
Zaphod Beeblebrox
5
6%
Me
8
10%
 
Total votes: 77

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Post by Bay_Wolf »

bicostp wrote:What?

She just strung a bunch of buzzwords together and tried to act 'folksy". No substance at all.
Agreed!

My father, who is for McCain, even admitted he thought Biden did a whole hell of a lot better. I'm sorry but I've got to disagree with you CTFan and say that most people that are watching these debates are not all that interested in "stories" but in what the VP's will do once they are in office.

EDIT: Also CTFan many of the polls are showing that Obama is actually gaining a lead (9% reported by NYTimes).

EDIT 2: Link to Article about Polls

Also people are starting to figure out that Palin isn't qualified and her stories won't help her. LINK
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Post by Triton »

if we base this election on the VPs i am definatly going with obama/biden. frankly mccain is too damn old and paulin doesnt know enough or have experience enough to run a country imo. biden at least has been in the game for a while and seems to know his stuff, im going to do some more research before i comment any further
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Bay_Wolf, those are pre-debate polls, I'm saying that they'll get a bump in the next few days. And I'd trust the Times to report accurate numbers about as much as I'd trust Richard Nixon to tell the truth.

I really don't see the invective against Palin. McCain isn't going to die, and even if he did, compare her "experience" (which is just a stupid premise, IMO) to that of Barack Obama. He was a Communist advocate of the political machine in Chicago, got thrown into the state Senate, and served two years as a national Senator, one and a half of which he has spent campaigning. I can understand disagreeing with Palin on an ideological basis, but be honest with yourselves in your "experience" evaluations in that Obama's just as weak as Palin, and he's at the top of the ticket.
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I'm voting Bob Barr
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Post by Skyone »

I saw a huge poster that read "Nixon's Head 08!" during the debate tonight (Futurama reference). I'm with that guy! :lol:
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I can't believe I missed the debate. I had to work from 3-11. I'm sure it is on you tube but I'm tired. Great now I sound like one of those "i'm too busy to care people". :?

I can vouch for Josh being a good guy and not quite so political in person. I'm the same way right now. I'm pretty lax and won't start on politics unless someone drags me into it, but now that the elections are coming up...
I've seen McCain use religious terms a lot more (separation of church and state?)
Thats the main fault I see in him. The funny thing is that is the thing my mom likes most about him. Kind of odd being agnostic with a "born again" Christian mother. :lol:
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Post by bicostp »

Another thing about Palin: she changed the subject far too much, in my opinion. When you don't have an answer, have a new question, right?
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bicostp wrote:Another thing about Palin: she changed the subject far too much, in my opinion. When you don't have an answer, have a new question, right?
Yeah, it was fairly embarrassing. My heart sunk and my palm hit my face whenever she would abruptly change the question or call all of America "Joe Six-Pack" or "hockey moms". :cry: She's a fair representative of the large part of America I cannot stand. :lol:
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Post by cowsgoquack101 »

I'm just friggin sick of the term "from wall street to main street".

I watched the debate and when it got to it's halfway point I thought of a drinking game: Take a drink when you hear the word "Maverick". Guaranteed to make you plastered within minutes. :wink:
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How does dictionary.com define "maverick"?

1. Southwestern U.S. an unbranded calf, cow, or steer, esp. an unbranded calf that is separated from its mother.
2. a lone dissenter, as an intellectual, an artist, or a politician, who takes an independent stand apart from his or her associates.
3. (initial capital letter) an electro-optically guided U.S. air-to-ground tactical missile for destroying tanks and other hardened targets at ranges up to 15 mi. (24 km).

Since obviously #2 is false (look back at his voting record; anything "different" now is to drum up votes), she's saying McCain is either a cow or a cause of massive destruction.
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Well at least when he dies we'll get some steak out of it.
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Valium wrote:Well at least when he dies we'll get some steak out of it.
lolwut.

i'm still a kucinich fan. there are way too many laws that are just being toyed around with, added upon, subtracted upon: US PATRIOT Act, United States Death Penalty Reform of 2006 (reform?!), etc. i've done my fair share of research here. but because he has no chance in hell, i'm voting for obama (before the primaries i was rooting for kucinich, clinton, or ron paul) because his plans and plans of actions are closest to what i'm looking for as a leader compared to mccain.

i'm a registered independant. no party. i'm like switzerland. lol

but. neither the democratic party no the GOP has everything i'm interested in. so if i were to register with one or the other, i'd be out of place. get me here?

p.s. sarah palin scares the LIVING BEJEZUS OUT OF ME. i've discussed this with family and friends; canada will have another citizen in the fall of 2009 if mccain is elected. i will be transferring colleges because i'm sick and tired of having my future as a part of society being slowly ripped out of my hands. i'm already thousands of dollars in debt right now. i basically owe my freaking soul to the government...

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Post by bacteria »

This comment is probably true of any politician anywhere, USA, UK, whatever:

* Whatever the candidates say in their manifesto, they will probably weasel out if elected anyway; or implement a watered down version.

* They change their policies everytime the wind changes, due to pressure from their own party and the opinion poll sways and what the opposition says. This week "love purple, hate yellow" next week "love yellow, hate purple".

* If, like in the USA, a candidate has taken donations for hundreds of thousands of dollars from companies and pressure groups, they will want their value for money if the guy gets elected - so basically, if you have the dollars, you decide policy not the schmuck up for election. That is hardly democratic!

* They will bring in unpopular measures stealthily that they knew at the time they were being elected they daren't state: or the plans from their opponents that they went against at the time are "suddenly a good idea".

* They are all doing what they do for their own gain and power, only a fool believes "they do it for the good of the country and its people" - yeah, right.

* If you are lucky you have two alternatives to kick out the current unpopular government, if unlucky (as for a long time in the UK) you only had one other serious party (pretty much still the case, really). That means you have the wonderful choice of - 1) do I hate the current government enough to vote elsewhere, and 2) is the other idiot worth voting for anyway?

* Don't be too bothered about "your vote counts", it often doesn't.

* They lie all the time and can't be trusted. Remember some great quotes from previous Presidents and the real truth?: "I cannot lie" (Nixon), "I did not have sex with that woman" (Clinton). The list goes on...

* Sex and financial scandles - need I say more? Talk about blackmailable and corruptable!


Bear in mind, you guys in the USA have Bush (lucky you), we have Brown (oh, crap). Happy days. If they don't want to attack someone else's country they are happy to erode their own economy and blame someone else. Happy days, lets all raise our glasses to our leaders...

So, who gives a monkey basically who wins the election, does it really matter? You're screwed whoever gets in anyway. When you guys get old gits, like me, you will see the logic of my wisdom!! :wink:
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samus wrote:i'm like switzerland. lol
What, you mean you have lots of Nazi gold and you also invented milk chocolate?

(sorry)! :D
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Basically if Bob Barr doesn't win we all lose.

If Osama wins. We get socialism and higher taxes. A crap public welfare program and only the trash of America will bank on. Only good thing? Maybe getting out of Iraqi...maybe... Basically the idea of America "Land of the Free" will be gone as the government will be holding peoples hand and telling us what we can and can not do.

If Mcdonald wins. 4 more years of Bush. More spending and more Iraqi and 9/11 crap.

Good thing I still have 5+ years of college ahead of me so I don't have to pay taxes (woo for tax refunds!) to a socialist government.
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