School paper on p2p

[gamemasterAS]

I'm writing a paper that is supposed to be kind of a debate and speech on something. I decided I would do mine on peer2peer and that kinda of thing. So I was wondering if some of you would like to please help me come up with some arguments for it. Some of the ideas are.


I buy the stuff I like
It helps me find new stuff
I download stuff that I would never pay for
Its the future so you cant ignore it
Work with it for marketing and to make awareness ( if you are a artist or something trying to promote something )

Anyone else have anymore ideas?
Any Links?
Anything that would help?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

[bicostp]

I'm sorry but those aren't very good arguments.

"I buy the stuff I like"
We all do, P2P user or not.

"It helps me find new stuff"
... to steal, or to try? That's what demo versions of programs and 30 second clips on iTunes are for.

"I download stuff that I would never pay for"
If you never pay for it why do you desire to steal it? And this argument, to me anyway, reinforces the fact that P2P is for piracy.

"Its the future so you cant ignore it"
The future of the entertainment industry is pure piracy?

"Work with it for marketing and to make awareness"
Giving things away doesn't bring home the bacon. It's bad enough that some of your target market gets free copies of your media without giving you money, why would you want to give your products away yourself?


You should shy away from anything regarding commercial products on P2P networks, because any way you look at it, it's illegal. Instead, focus on how they help transfer large legitimate files without costing any website as much bandwidth as traditional download methods. ("Legitimate" being demos, free OS distributions, amateur movies...)

[gamemasterAS]

I'm sorry but those aren't very good arguments.

"I buy the stuff I like"
We all do, P2P user or not.

"It helps me find new stuff"
... to steal, or to try? That's what demo versions of programs and 30 second clips on iTunes are for.

"I download stuff that I would never pay for"
If you never pay for it why do you desire to steal it? And this argument, to me anyway, reinforces the fact that P2P is for piracy.

"Its the future so you cant ignore it"
The future of the entertainment industry is pure piracy?

"Work with it for marketing and to make awareness"
Giving things away doesn't bring home the bacon. It's bad enough that some of your target market gets free copies of your media without giving you money, why would you want to give your products away yourself?


You should shy away from anything regarding commercial products on P2P networks, because any way you look at it, it's illegal. Instead, focus on how they help transfer large legitimate files without costing any website as much bandwidth as traditional download methods. ("Legitimate" being demos, free OS distributions, amateur movies...)

You make really good points, so dont take this sracasticly. You have a much better idea for this paper then what I did, but Im gonna need a few more ideas. I have to have maybe like 2 or 3 good supports I can argue from for it.

We have

legitimate large transfers
Less server load

But I need more, any ideas ? Please help

[vskid]

"It helps me find new stuff"
... to steal, or to try? That's what demo versions of programs and 30 second clips on iTunes are for.

Program demos are generally ok. 30 second clips on iTunes are total crap. I have heard clips on iTunes that make me thing that song is great, but really you're only listening to the best 30 seconds, or it sounds like crap, but the song is really good as a whole. Theres better ways than iTunes' clips and torrenting music to try out music, Youtube. If the song is from a band than is at least somewhat know-of, you're almost guaranteed that someone has made a music video of it. Not the most reliable way, since not every song has a video someone has made about it, but its still helpful.

[Triton]

you could use the fact that the RIAA is the devil the same time they were suing people for p2p (your taking money away from the artists! sez riaa) they got sued......


....for not paying the artists! i wholly supports money going to artists for the music they make, go to their concerts, buy their merchandise from their online store or at concerts, things like that or hell just send money straight to them, that way riaa and the others cant take their like 70% cut on profits (might not be an accurate number but wouldnt supprise me if its that high) when you buy a cd most of the money goes to the retailer, the record lable, the RIAA, the people who pressed the disc and that last little bit goes to the artist

they are starting to see that online downloads of music is a GOOD idea, mebe not free P2P but ad supported or pay per download (btw i would NEVER pay a dollar a song, maybe 25-50 cents tops) if it goes to the artist.

[vb_master]

p2p is full of lamers.

[CronoTriggerfan]

If you're doing a paper on P2P, I'd bring up some more intelligent points, as you are defending something illegal. I'd talk about the fact that the laws are flawed, and you shouldn't have to pay for the same movie 3 times to watch it on three different mediums. Also bring up how P2P doesn't necessarily mean illegal (this is for the sake of argument, of course), and that P2P can be used as a tool for freeware, indie artists, and international music and movies to be distributed. Perhaps cite the piracy laws and P2P restriction laws (or namely lack thereof) of other countries and give numbers that can correlate positively with your argument.

[Negative_Creep]

I don't see how it's possible to come up with good points for P2P. You aren't going on there to download 30 second clips of songs, nobody would.

[Super Cameraman]

I know you're totally for P2P, but for the sake of writing a paper, it would be MUCH easier to write one against it.

[DK]

I'd also mention g2p (google 2 peer) which is basically a google search which finds you all sorts of downloadable stuff from the internet.

[SZF2001]

How about you scratch that idea and write about the social concepts brought up with The Great Gatsby? It's a book, btw. The characters are fiction but the events and surroundings following them are very intact to what happened in the past.

Or you could write about Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas - I know the movie has Johnny Depp, but you need to read the book to fully understand what the hell is going on. The movie will only confuse you. Maybe you could watch it afterwards to put everything into context. This is another great social commentary book to start topics in in class.

[timmeh87]

I agree with the SZF2001 guy. This topic is currently subject of a lot of media attention and as such everyone has already chosen sides. More people are against it.

Anyways, theres no stopping piracy. It doesnt need you to defend it.

[CronoTriggerfan]

I agree with the SZF2001 guy. This topic is currently subject of a lot of media attention and as such everyone has already chosen sides. More people are against it.

Just because the majority supports something doesn't mean there's no point in arguing the other side!

CTFan

[gamemasterAS]

Ok just made a rough draft, I'm about to go to sleep though so I haven't re read through it so expect for it to be a typo filled in coherent mess.

Adam *******
February 10, 2008
5th Period


Why Peer to Peer transfers Should be accepted

Peer to peer transfers have long been under fire and have even led to companies created to try to dismantle them a few major ones to mention are The Motion Picture Association of America, Recording Industry Association of America, and Media Defender. Peer to Peer transfers are a efficient way to transferring files from one person to another over the Internet. It Works by Sending a file from one person to another and then on from that point, never using a centralized server.

I will start off by describing what peer to peer really is. Peer to peer is sending a file from one person to another over a network. Instead of one person putting it on a server and then another going to that server and downloading it they just go straight to that person over the peer to peer program and download it. The more people that have downloaded it the faster the download will go since instead of like traditionary only one server having it avaliable many people have it and you download off of all of them.

Sharing files over a peer 2 peer client is a easier way of getting a file from one person so another over a computer. Instead of having this file on one specific server you can just use a wide variety of programs to send it over the Internet. Hosting a file on a server can either cost you or the person running the server a ranging amount of money to keep online. For every person that access it it will run the server nearer and nearer to meting its top amount of traffic alloted for the month. Uploading a file to a server can also be much harder and confusing for someone who has little experience on a computer.

One large advantage of a peer to peer network is it costs no one to keep it running since it runs between the people in it and not on a centralized server. This can lead to a range of things to become possible that were not possible before, as in the case of Benn Jordan. Benn Jordan also known under his electronica moniker as the flashbulb, put copies of his new cd " Sound track to a Vacant Life" on torrent ( a form of peer to peer ) sites such as What.cd and Thepiratebay.org. This allowed a artist that was not known well to spread awareness of his work without going through major record corporations and retailers that take up to 8 times the profit the artist takes in. All possible because of the free peer to peer networks, he also was still able to collect a profit by accepting donations.

Many are now opposing peer to peers existence. They belive that all peer to peer networks are for is the spread of illegal software, movies and music. These companies like The Motion Picture Association of America, Recording Industry Association of America, and Media Defender dedicate all their time and resources to trying to dismantle peer to peer networks and web sites because of this. They ignore that fact that large sums of legal activity exist on these networks and go after any peer to peer network. They have closed sites that were before great resources like suprnova.com and demonoid.com. These sites made it so many files like those of artist and other like Benn Jordan to be harder to get out to the people.
In conclusion I have spent time and effort witting this paper to take what may be the losing side in supporting peer to peer transfers for legitimate purposes. You have seen the many useful purposes in peer to peer transfers and know should be aware peer to peer is not just for illegal purposes like you may have been led to assume.