Mechanical TV

Want to just shoot the breeze? Forum 42 is the place!

Moderator: Moderators

Post Reply
Metallica Man X
Portablizer Extraordinaire
Posts: 1439
Joined: Fri Apr 22, 2005 1:14 pm
Location: A very anti-metal place...WI...

Mechanical TV

Post by Metallica Man X »

Once again, I have to post up my Mechanical TV, as the last one was killed. Oh well, this post has a few more pics than the original 8)


So there I was, sitting around, when I deiced to do something. I hit the lab, and using some random parts sitting around the place, I was able to construct a crude (but working!) Mechanical TV!

Some pics (sorry bout the poor quality, my camera is a peice of junk, LITERALLY :) )

Here's a Pic: http://www.imageigloo.com/viewer.php?id ... %20001.jpg
Another view of it: http://www.imageigloo.com/viewer.php?id ... %20003.jpg
Closeup of the LED Assembly: http://www.imageigloo.com/viewer.php?id ... %20007.jpg
Here's and Overhead View: http://www.imageigloo.com/viewer.php?id ... 20002x.JPG

The operation is really simple, the spinning disk (known as a Nipkow disk) has holes in it, holes that go around the disk, and spiral inward about a half inch before stopping. These holes create the scan lines for the unit. The LED below it, provides the light. It creates a picture by taking various pulses of light energy, and when combined with the spining of the disk, is able to create a low-resolution picture.

This particular system of transmitting moving pics was patented way back in the mid 1880s (WOH! TV was around back THEN!? :shock: ) The design had two key flaws though.
1.) It required a lot of light to work.
2.) Even with a lot of light, it could only send the single on wire a short distance. As there were no radios or electrical amplifiers back then.

It wasn't until the early 1920s that electronics had caught up enough for a radio device and a signal booster be created, allowing for true television broadcasting. A lot of this work was pioneerd by a british fellow named John Logie Baird. He developed the first practical Televisor broadcasting and receiving equipment. He also developed a system he called "Phonovision". Which was really cool stuff -- Because the light pulses were of such a low frequency, they were acutally audible! (as in, you can hear them) and since they were audible, he came up with a method of storing the video information on a RECORD! Pretty cool!

Since the video can be stored as audio, I found a place where could downloaded a couple of test screen tracks. These tracks are REALLY annoying to listen to, but when the signal is played across the LED circuit, it makes the light flicker. When the wheel is spun at the right speed, you can make out a picture!

Pic of the wheel spinning: http://www.imageigloo.com/viewer.php?id ... %20009.jpg
Another pic of the spinning: http://www.imageigloo.com/viewer.php?id ... %20011.jpg

I'd have an image of the tv picture, but it can only be seen in the dark (LED isn't very bright), and my camera can't take pictures in the dark (any extra light would drown out the weak picture--so no flash = no picture :x ).

The resolution of my "televisor" is about 32 lines at about 12.5 fps. In contrast, the first Tube-based TVs that followed this machine in the mid to late 30s were 405 lines at about 20 fps.

It's pretty interesting to see how things looked nearly a century ago. Look it up! There's a lot of intersting info out there, even a radio station that broadcasts 32 line Television (you gotta build your own reciever)!

I'm gonna try to build a better one in the future. One that uses a Metallic(a) disk with precisly drilled holes, and a way brighter light. As well as a device that can automatically sync the motor speed with the picture. Somewere along the line, I'm also gonna try to make a Camera, so I can send and recieve my own 32 line (or better) television! :)
Last edited by Metallica Man X on Tue Mar 06, 2007 12:30 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Jongamer
Senior Member
Posts: 2151
Joined: Wed Dec 13, 2006 2:43 pm
PSN Username: Geekystig790
360 GamerTag: Mesu Gitsune
Location: Fairborn, Ohio

Post by Jongamer »

all of the pics say Error 404 page could not be found.
Metallica Man X
Portablizer Extraordinaire
Posts: 1439
Joined: Fri Apr 22, 2005 1:14 pm
Location: A very anti-metal place...WI...

Post by Metallica Man X »

Tried a different method, do they work now?
Jongamer
Senior Member
Posts: 2151
Joined: Wed Dec 13, 2006 2:43 pm
PSN Username: Geekystig790
360 GamerTag: Mesu Gitsune
Location: Fairborn, Ohio

Post by Jongamer »

yep :D
dudex77
Posts: 1499
Joined: Thu Nov 16, 2006 10:43 am
Location: Spain

Post by dudex77 »

holy crap even for a person in the benheck forums you have to much spare time :lol: its totally awesome and im amazed that things like this were possible in the 1880s
Kurt_ wrote: I would use tact switches but I want the mushy feel. Mushy = God. (I typed that correctly).
Image
benheck
Site Admin
Posts: 1887
Joined: Wed Dec 31, 1969 6:00 pm
Location: Wisconsin - Land of Beer and Cheese and Beer
Contact:

Post by benheck »

Hey I too have obsessed over mechanical TV before, mostly because it's kind of a lost footnote in history, as are "pre-war" NTSC TV's from the 30's.

It's strange to think you could take a PS3 back to 1938 and hook it up, but you could. (The color signals are meant to be ignored by B&W only sets) I guess it IS high-time we switch broadcasting formats.

-Ben
Image
Sir Games-A-Lot
Posts: 710
Joined: Thu Apr 07, 2005 7:25 am
Location: Sitting around a table wishing the king would get IBM Consultants

Post by Sir Games-A-Lot »

I've always liked these thing, very elegant in their simplicity, but I have never attempted building one, I'm really terrible at fabricating parts. Is their some kind of formula for for figuring out where the holes should be placed on the disc? (also could you post the circuit you used?)
<a href="http://www.nerdtests.com/ft_cg.php?im">
<img src="http://www.nerdtests.com/images/ft/cg.php?val=5780" alt="My computer geek score is greater than 83% of all people in the world! How do you compare? Click here to find out!"> </a>
atari2600a
Posts: 1330
Joined: Fri Jul 28, 2006 12:42 am
Location: Schwarzeneggerville, CA
Contact:

Post by atari2600a »

Try & get a pic of it working top-view!

So, do you ever plan to put in a green & blue LED, & set up color circuitry?
Triton
Moderator
Posts: 7398
Joined: Mon May 24, 2004 12:33 pm
360 GamerTag: triton199
Steam ID: triton199
Location: Iowa
Contact:

Post by Triton »

ive always been facinated with the early color TVs, 1954 we got the first color TV the RCA CT-100 (not counting the prototype field sequential stuff). it weighed 160+ LBS had a 9" round picture tube and used something like 36 vacuum tubes. the cool thing is it was 100% NTSC color gamut accurate, no TVs made today are 100% accurate because the original green phospors arent used any more and the red ones are different too i think. cool stuff!

here is a CT-100 VS a 720P widescreen!
http://home.att.net/~pldexnis/potpourri ... TSC_11.jpg
lots of cool stuff in the links on the CT 100 wiki page, check it out
atari2600a
Posts: 1330
Joined: Fri Jul 28, 2006 12:42 am
Location: Schwarzeneggerville, CA
Contact:

Post by atari2600a »

Don't forget, today's TVs use software-controlled adjustable color. Plus, 720P isn't NTSC.
Triton
Moderator
Posts: 7398
Joined: Mon May 24, 2004 12:33 pm
360 GamerTag: triton199
Steam ID: triton199
Location: Iowa
Contact:

Post by Triton »

i didnt say it was, i just said there is a CT 100 compaired to a 720 progressive scan TV. and all the digital correction in the world isnt going to change the phosphors might be close but not 100%, and most lcds have less than 98% NTSC gamut (most are 90-95% accurate)
Life of Brian
Moderator
Posts: 2867
Joined: Wed Aug 03, 2005 5:55 pm
Location: Oklahoma
Contact:

Post by Life of Brian »

benheck wrote:It's strange to think you could take a PS3 back to 1938 and hook it up, but you could. (The color signals are meant to be ignored by B&W only sets) I guess it IS high-time we switch broadcasting formats.

-Ben
Yikes! I never thought of that before! That would be weird... PS3 in black and white? In the thirties? Sounds like a sci-fi flick I'd want to see!
dragonhead wrote:sweet. ive spent a third of my life on benheck!
Image
atari2600a
Posts: 1330
Joined: Fri Jul 28, 2006 12:42 am
Location: Schwarzeneggerville, CA
Contact:

Post by atari2600a »

LOL, yeah. That's the one reason I don't like LCD's: The limit of colors! Also, brightness. (never looks right, as it's coming from a lightbox, whereas on a CRT it emits it's own.
vskid
Senior Member
Posts: 6314
Joined: Fri Mar 25, 2005 8:25 am
Steam ID: vskid3

Post by vskid »

atari2600a wrote:LOL, yeah. That's the one reason I don't like LCD's: The limit of colors! Also, brightness. (never looks right, as it's coming from a lightbox, whereas on a CRT it emits it's own.
The only bad thing about CRTs is their size. I like them more than LCDs, its so much clearer and brighter with great contrast. And you get x-rays shot at your face (most are blocked by the lead in the insanely thick glass)!
Image
Post Reply