Picked up an apple today....

Harshboy · Post by **Harshboy** » Sun Jun 11, 2006 12:04 pm

There isnt one

Infact, i am switching to mac because they are using Intell and because of Boot Camp. I'll be getting the Black Macbook sometime before the end of Summer

I can't wait!!!!!!

Post by **Triton** » Sun Jun 11, 2006 1:24 pm

When Vista comes out and the software and hardware I use doesn't work on XP anymore, I'm switching to Mac, it has the same productivity software, but with faster hardware. Simple as that.

im totally agreeing with that, screw vista its just a cheap bloaty ripoff of osx. i wouldnt mind switching to mac if i could freakin afford it! only affordable new mac is the mini and its still too much for me to afford

xelion · Post by **xelion** » Sun Jun 11, 2006 1:57 pm

sgtpepper wrote:
Sparkfist wrote: Also when upgrading to OS X, besure to check the compatibilty for you computer with say Panther. I know Jaguar will run on your machine but they made changes when going to Panther and Tiger, and that ment dropping older machines.
Well I know for a fact Panther works, I've got two of the same iMacs running it. Tiger should work anyway though... it just eats RAM!

My only comment (thus far) on this whole Mac vs PC debate is this: if you don't play games on your computer, what reason do you have for Windows? And with the switch to Intel and Boot Camp being released, you can run Windows on a Mac if you want to. So what's the downside to just owning a Mac?

The price plain and simple. Mac's are in the range of thousands of dollars, and many hundreds for their lower end computers. Virtually zero upgradability, meaning when your expencive peice of @$#@ gets old, it's time to buy another one for another 1500 bucks. Where as Window's computers(or Linux for that matter) You can decide exactly what you have in your computer, and if you need more ram, space, better video card, whatever, it's as simple as going out, buying the new part, and replacing it. You can have whatever case you want, build your own, anything. That's a major reason I've never gone to Macs. That and they are just confusing to me(dunno why, could just never get used to them)

Personally I really like Windows, I've tried moving over to Linux, but things just never want to work for me :/ So I usually just use Windows, though if I could get it all working, I would only keep Windows for it's software, because face it. Windows has support for nearly every single peice of software out there today, so many people use Windows, software companies don't bother making versions for Mac's or Linux hardly ever. Though Wine can solve that on Linux, and I suppose Boot Camp for Mac, but still I'd rather just stay with my nice simple easy to use Windows(with all it's spyware and trojan glory(I like the challenge of getting rid of all that stuff, gives me something to do wiht all the time I saved not @#$%@%@ around wiht getting things to work in Linux))

Linux: Having fun doing whatever you want, messing aroudn with free software.

Mac: Media stuff if you have a crapload of cash.

Windows: Everything else.

XPCportables · Post by **XPCportables** » Sun Jun 11, 2006 2:05 pm

i hate windows, but I use it because it is the only operating system that has everything that I need and that I can afford. I like the way that macs work, I would like to have one, but I don't have that kind of money, I would like to have a powermac G5 quad, but I don't have that kind of money. I can build my own pc for half the price as a mac and with close to the same power. I have linux but I can't get all of my vital 3d editing/ programming software for it. plus I do also play games on it, but that is not my primary focus. Windows is a virus waiting to happen as I say, but I defend myself with firefox, adaware, and spybot search and destroy.

sgtpepper · Post by **sgtpepper** » Sun Jun 11, 2006 3:39 pm

Xelion, if you're trying to say that PCs are cheaper than Macs, then you're completely wrong. Because of the recent hardware switch to Intel you can directly compare hardware, and Macs are the same price, if not cheaper! And if you're saying Mac aren't upgradable, you're wrong there too. I've upgraded almolt every component of my G4 Cube- the processor, video card, RAM, harddrive, and the optical drive. I say your argument is moot

usbcd36 · Post by **usbcd36** » Sun Jun 11, 2006 7:08 pm

Plus, the Mactels have socketed processors.

Who was asking about the flashing question mark again?

Ah well, here's the solution: get an OS disk. If you really want, I can send you a Disk Tools floppy (smallest bootable OS disk), that has repair software on it. Then you can start it up, check to see if the hard disk is there (and if it's not, you probably have bigger problems than I can help you fix over the 'net), repair it if recognized, and possibly have a working Mac. If you don't want to spend the ~5 minutes to check it out, oh wellâ€¦

@sgtpepper: I'm a huge Mac guy (if you haven't already guessed), but unfortunately, upgradability is where PCs have us whupped. The Cube was one of the best systems in terms of it, but after the G4s were phased out, they started getting more like the original Mac: closed box. If you want an upgradable system, the Power Mac G5 (which the Mac Pro will surely mimic) is for you. All others only allow you to upgrade 4 things: RAM, optical drive, processor and storage. Video cards only really concern hardcore gamers and professional video editors (which wouldn't even consider less than a Power Mac G5 anyway), and most hardcore gamers are too arrogant to look into Mactels anyway. That does reveal one thing though: if Apple were to put standard PCIe video card slots in their computers, they'd probably interest a larger market.

joevennix · Post by **joevennix** » Sun Jun 11, 2006 7:22 pm

Sure the new Mac's are expensive, but if all you want to do is have an Apple computer that runs OSX:
iMac- $30.
Personally, I use a Windows computer for gaming and some other software. That's it. Everything else (web browsing, email, IM, etc.) I do on my iBook. It's just... easier. IMHO that is.
As for the upgrade problem... you can upgrade hdd, optical drive, on PowerMac's you can do some other things, I remember my dad installing a SCSI card a while back. I just ordered a big internal hdd and dvd-rw drive for my mac. It is possible, just not as flexible.

BTW, Jeff, that keyboard and mouse would probably sell for a decent bit on eBay. They're probably worth $30 by themself.

xelion · Post by **xelion** » Sun Jun 11, 2006 7:40 pm

Well to tell the truth, i don't really know much about Macs, I've just never liked them, and they are just so much more expencive(at least the ones I've seen) You either have the brand new deals that are like 2 grand, or an old imac for 30 if you can find it at a yardsale or whatever. There is no inbetween as with PC's. And do Macs even use PCI/AGP slots? Most mac's that I've seen are just closed box, and no space for putting anything new in, so really PC's really do own Mac's in terms of upgradibility.

sgtpepper · Post by **sgtpepper** » Sun Jun 11, 2006 7:47 pm

xelion wrote:And do Macs even use PCI/AGP slots? Most mac's that I've seen are just closed box, and no space for putting anything new in, so really PC's really do own Mac's in terms of upgradibility.

All the PowerMacs have PCI/AGP slots, the rest do not, so that's why I have a PowerMac!

Post by **Triton** » Sun Jun 11, 2006 8:51 pm

you have to keep in mind that as far as specs go a pc is less money for more power as macintel, the 1200$ intel imac has a 1.8ghz core duo and half a gig of ram and 160gb hdd, you can get a pc witht the same stuff for less than 900$

Post by **Black Six** » Sun Jun 11, 2006 8:57 pm

This is a topic about a new computer someone got, and it has turned into a flame fest. There are too many people here who are ignorant about Macintoshes to be talking about them and saying what they can and can't do.
If you don't know what you're talking about, don't post. Since many of you seem unable to do that:
Closerized.