Martial Arts

[floivanus]

well CTfan, my instructors have all taught me how to apply the principles they showed me, you may want to approach your instructor and ask something on that subject. I would try to communicate on that point, but the internet is a hard place to send messages about martial arts and applications of how to use the things you've learned. First of all, I'd think about what you have that you typicalls carry, watches, rings, belts, shirts, shoes whatever you have and percieve those as weapons, with enough weapon and empty hand training you should be able to come up with your own way.

the issue with Traditional martial arts is that people believe they should take their art, and place it in a germ-free glass case in a museum to never be changed. You see, let's take my art of Kobayashi Shorin Ryu. Each kata we learn is another completely different style. for instance, Naihanchi katas are in-fighting (clinch) forms, Pinians are about grappling with your opponent, standing locks, throws and yes, limited ground fighting (for you BJJ guys, knee on belly and cross choke are included) katas like Gojushiho and Chinto are about putting everything you learned together. and yet... each one of these forms was created by a completley different person than the others. Wait a minute, this sounds like MMA/jeet kun do to me! a breakthrough, the old time 'masters' never stayed with one thing, they made their style just that THEIR'S. that's really what every martial artist should do.

[CronoTriggerfan]

My instructors HAVE told us all these things; that's what I was trying to tell you . Style is also a peculiar thing; in a sense, I don't really believe in styles. All martial arts goes back to one thing, and that is to kill. The debate over styles is what the best way to accomplish this goal is. To me, it all depends on your physical/mental type. For example, a long-legged, quick man would not attempt Judo, because it requires a firm, stout body. Rather, he may pursue a branch of Taekwondo or Karate, seeing as these deal more with legs. Likewise, someone built for grappling would not try to use a plethera of kicks; rather, he/she would do what they are built for-grappling. By no means am I saying that one who matches a certain body type pursue only the correlating martial art; I am just saying that in the best interest for your protection and for the protection you provide others, it may be best to pursue that type of warriorship.

This leads me to my next point: As martial artists, most people think about their duty to protect themselves; after all, that is what we train for, no? But what about our duty to protect others? Do not we as warriors owe dues to society as well? I'm also not referring to just helping those we hold dearest. For example, if you were to see someone being mugged by a gang; outnumbered, outskilled, just all-around beaten. Would you step in and help this random person, even though you know that you too may fall victim to the same fate?

Here's one last quote to leave you with: "Vengeance never sought is vengeance never won. But is vengeance never won vengeance never sought?"

CTFan

[floivanus]

CTFan, I really don't believe in styles suited towards 'builds'. for instance, I'm a short, 5'10, stocky, 230lbs, muscular person, I don't have long legs (in fact shorin ryu really isn't a kicking style, it's more like 60% striking (80% of that hands, 20% feet) 20% throws, 20% grappling. I know many judokas that give me a whooping and one of those is a twiggy little 5' 8-10 guy, and other larger guys are quite easy to pin during randori, while let's say my jiu jitsu instructor, is 190 lbs and around my height... he's quite pudgy though, and he'll tie me in knots and be in no harm all day long. What I'm trying to say though is that just because you're built one way doesn't mean you cant do any martial art... it's the art that teaches you how to move and how your body works, not your body that teaches your art.

[CronoTriggerfan]

CTFan, I really don't believe in styles suited towards 'builds'. for instance, I'm a short, 5'10, stocky, 230lbs, muscular person, I don't have long legs (in fact shorin ryu really isn't a kicking style, it's more like 60% striking (80% of that hands, 20% feet) 20% throws, 20% grappling. I know many judokas that give me a whooping and one of those is a twiggy little 5' 8-10 guy, and other larger guys are quite easy to pin during randori, while let's say my jiu jitsu instructor, is 190 lbs and around my height... he's quite pudgy though, and he'll tie me in knots and be in no harm all day long. What I'm trying to say though is that just because you're built one way doesn't mean you cant do any martial art... it's the art that teaches you how to move and how your body works, not your body that teaches your art.

Again, I'm not saying that everyone who fits a certan style must adhere to that style; I'm just saying that if one does follow that style, they stand a greater chance of seeing their potential as a martial artist.

[floivanus]

I heard you, but... I don't agree that your body type will keep you from having the best of your abilities realized, sure, if I spar someone that's six foot six, I'll have to out manuever them, and probably use my size disadvantage to my advantage, work inside his range and go for the takedown. of course that's all just karate talk there... in jiu jitsu, I'd just work open guard, half-guard, or top position and use superior positioning to get the tap. in judo, I'd have to make certain I have a good base and wait for my opponent to slip up... and all of those instances have more to do with the techniques I use and how I use the skill I have. it's really not so much about body type, but that has a lot to do with it... it just isn't everything.

in fact, one of my jiu jitsu-ist friends is a bit smaller than i am (190lbs) and a purple belt, and has many times tapped out Dan Severn (world class wrestler, judo, sambo, and jiu jitsu black belt. and a MASSIVE guy at 260-270 usually) the dissadvantaged (smaller grappler) wins over the much larger guy sometimes... it's all about technique, dan just isn't a jiu jitsu guy. and playing our game, he loses some of the time... now, wrestling would be a much different thing

[SavageLych]

Lol G-Force, a round house kick barley hurts, and is used in thoes types of showes because it looks cool, and isn't very technical. We use them when we first start sparing because they don't hurt much.

[G-force]

Lol G-Force, a round house kick barley hurts, and is used in thoes types of showes because it looks cool, and isn't very technical. We use them when we first start sparing because they don't hurt much.

Shhh! You know that and I know that but...

Somebody once told chuck norris a roundhouse kick isn't the most effective means of taking a person down. This has been recorded as the worst decision in all of human history.

[NES_fanatic]

Even worse than rushing Xbox 360 to market?

Personally, the worst decision a human could possibly make is not give me oreos when they're in the vicinity.

[floivanus]

what's this a roundhouse kick barely hurts?! who taught you how to roundhouse kick, they obviously did it WRONG... in three of my 15 MMA fights I've put people down with round house kicks to the head, one shot only, and in many of my other fights, MMA and kyokushin karate, I've gave people one heck of a wailing until they couldn't stand with low line roundhouse kicks (sometimes as few as one)... I'll invite you to come down and feel a good, strong, properly executed round house kick anytime, they'll hurt like hell if done correctly, if done wrong you only simply slap them in the body. that's not a proper strike, either with your hands or with your feet. and I garantee that I can fold a banana bag w/ a round kick, and on a normal heavy bag I typically make it move further than if you were to simply swing the bag.

[SavageLych]

No. I know how to get my body into it. Thoes turnomints are rubish. IO went to one once, all I saw was 300 noobs. COmpared to a side kick, or a front kick, round house dosn't hurt at all. I have had my ribs broken by other kicks. NONE HAVE BEEN FROM ROUND HOUSE KICKS!!!!!

[floivanus]

alright, but let me tell you, I've broken ribs and cracked other people's shins with round house kicks, I'm telling you you're doing your technique wrong. what style do you train in, is it kyokushin, muay thai or the like? have you ever sparred a good kickboxer or muay thai artist? they'll hit you like a ton of bricks, in fact I've had students come in fresh off the street and pummel me like a sledge after a few lessons of learning the round kick, and in fact I've taught several children in their early teens how to do a proper roundhouse and they do quite a bit of damage, in fact one of my blue belts cracked my ribs last month, with guess what? a roundhouse kick, side and front kicks do a bit of damage but stating that a round house barely hurts is like saying that punching someone in the face doesn't hurt, they both do. It's the same understating that makes people think ju jitsu is just 'rolling around on the floor'. And I do recall that I compete in tournaments like, oh the Sabaki Challenge, and the Kyokushin Nationals, black belts are all I see and they can pack a whallop. Ever compete with a competant black belt? if they know how to throw it right they'll put you out with it, and yeah, I've been knocked out in competition by a well thrown roundhouse kick, I've also had some good deep tissue damage from leg kicks.

[CronoTriggerfan]

You guys just aren't fully utilizing roundhouse kick then. It can be adapted into quite the lethal kick, if you know how and are taught right.

CTFan

[floivanus]

EXACTLY, why else would that kick be utilized in kickboxing, K-1, and MMA matches all the time? I know for a fact that some MMA fighters have very painfull roundkicks, and yes, I've worked out with some of them, namely those who trained under the late Carlson Gracie, Vitor Belfort, Conan Silveria, Stephen Bonnar and Miguel Torres namely, getting kicked by miguel hurts for about a week, and he loves those leg kicks.

[G-force]

It's just not that effective is all, it can be blocked pretty easy unless you're very skilled at it. If all you want is to take someone down it's much easier and faster to go for the knee or the groin.

[Klefmung]

I like hip throwing and outside leg reaping. I can get someone easy with outside leg reap. And I hipthrew a 250 lb guy easy.