Why NOT linux?

Post by **Black Six** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 8:20 pm

bicostp wrote:No, Mac OS 9, 8, or 7.

As a side note, here's System 7.0.1 on an emulated Plus with a system extension that adds wallpaper (written in 1988 or '89).

<img src="http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/1584 ... sitnx9.gif">
All those shortcuts are legitimate, however 'iTunes' is just a folder with a custom icon. It contains copies of "Never Gonna Give You Up" and "Because it's Midnite" in a highly compressed format that can play on SoundEdit.

I prefer 6.04 on my Macintosh Plus.

Kyo · Post by **Kyo** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 5:12 am

lifeisbetterwithketchup wrote:
Triton wrote:not using crap software (live messenger etc) tends to use less ram as well, my laptop has 256mb ram, so does the desktop i use every day and i get along just fine, my main desktop has 2 gb tho.
+1

+1 indeed

vskid · Post by **vskid** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 8:49 am

XP is my preferred OS. Why? Because there are tons of programs for it, hardware compatibility is better than any Linux distro I've tried (Radeon All-in-Wonder is fail for Linux), and changing settings makes a lot more sense, Linux seems to have similar settings strewn across several different menus. Do I think Linux sucks? No, I think its a good alternative to Windows, but it just doesn't work for me.

I have Xubuntu installed on our desktop (I fudged the XP install and can't find my install cd), I'll dual boot it with XP when I find the cd. XP is on our laptop (which I'm using right now), it uses SIS parts, which Linux doesn't really like.

So really, the only thing Linux has over XP (in my opinion) is price. If XP were $50, XP would win.

alexzander · Post by **alexzander** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:08 am

I've got WinXP on my main desktop couse i have to(and couse my
harddrives are full of crap that i don't want to delete at the moment).
But on my laptop(Thinkpad T60) i dualboot Windows XP(need it couse
my school is using a lot of windows crap like Vb.NET, MsOffice and
other horribly expensive software and at the at the moment the
new beta of Ubuntu(I'm changing it every month)
And on my other laptop(a top-of-the-line dell from '98) i use
FreeDOS couse it can do all the crap i want it to do(run MAME
emulator use lynx-browser and run DooM)

but apple have released System 7 for free so stop using vista
and try something that actually works...
http://pendriveapps.com/2007/09/13/mac- ... usb-stick/

Post by **bicostp** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 12:05 pm

alexzander wrote:[big line-broken run on sentence]

Why bother with FreeDOS when it's really easy to get the real thing?

VB.NET isn't expensive. Microsoft gives away the entire .NET 2008 Express suite for free. (It includes SQL Server, VB, C#, and Visual Web Developer.)

And the Mac on Stick thing needs a host OS.

at the moment the
new beta of Ubuntu(I'm changing it every month)

And Linux zealots say you have to reinstall Windows a lot...

Extreme_Jesus · Post by **Extreme_Jesus** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 1:42 pm

i personally detest linux

i had a crack at trying to set up Umbuntu studio (cos i wasnt going to fork out for pro tools and the like) but it just frustrated me so much. I never got it fully functioning. Mainly down to lack of drivers. I was trying to run an ADAT interface from my 8-track, and lords knows i didnt spend ages trawling for drivers, but none worked completely if at all.

10 minutes and bit of cheap multitrack windows software later, it all worked.

I hate vista too, and no exactly a big fan of the way windows does things but it's still the best solution for what i need at the moment (money restrictions noted

)

alexzander · Post by **alexzander** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 4:51 pm

bicostp wrote:
alexzander wrote:[big line-broken run on sentence]
Why bother with FreeDOS when it's really easy to get the real thing?

VB.NET isn't expensive. Microsoft gives away the entire .NET 2008 Express suite for free. (It includes SQL Server, VB, C#, and Visual Web Developer.)

And the Mac on Stick thing needs a host OS.

at the moment the
new beta of Ubuntu(I'm changing it every month)
And Linux zealots say you have to reinstall Windows a lot...

1. FreeDOS has USB-drivers, ethernet-drivers and crap. msdos got nothing...
2. My School's got that developer edition crap and thats some real expensive peace of crap...
3. yeah but its way cooler(even if it needs windows to run)
4. i don't have to reinstall windows that often and if i need to i just ask the service ppls to do it. and i have changed it to PC-BSD now.

Post by **Sparkfist** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 10:27 pm

Late comer, here I come!

I use both Windows XP and Ubuntu 7.10. I have Windows XP mainly for WoW and if I want to rip DVDs (which is bad). I use Ubuntu for just about anything else, from web browsing, school, coding, and hopefully gaming soon.

Now on to the nitty gritty.

Gaming under Linux is something at is difficult. First and foremost it is true that there are not many games that work natively, I believe half-life is one of them and Quake IV is another, that can work no problem. There are ways around it, two options I know of; first being wine, second being VMware.

Wine is basically for those that don't know is an emulation application layer. So you can run a Windows program under wine and you have about 95% compatibility. World of Warcraft, is what I've been able to get working before. Further you can set up you system to boot into say init 3 (no gui, networking, all other crap), and you can have more system resources for the game you want to run.

VMware, just emulate the whole damn OS to run the game, but that requires you have the ram to run the OS and the game. Something that is kind of silly because for most games made in the past 5 years would require your system to have 1.5GB or more.

I do have to confess that driver compatibility as of now sucks. Prime examples would be the lack of support for ATI graphics, and Atheros wifi. So with my HP laptop which I stupidly use for WoW can only run under Windows as I can't get the 3-D acceleration working properly, and with my school laptop came with an Atheros wifi card that would not work even with madWifi. That's not to say you can't get a system running perfectly, just means you still have to pick your hardware carefully.

And to those of you that say we should return to the older OSs, I'd love to see a modern OS that looks and functions a lot like System 7, Mac OS 8.1, and I kind of hate to admit it but I do like the old Windows 95/98 style. But those are the kind I grew up with, and they were nice and simple. Today I look at all the new OS and you have to think, "What the hell went wrong?" Why do we need things to look like OS X or Vista? It's a nice waste of system resources which would be better used for the computer, and if most people wanted a nice shiny look they could do all that after they figured out how to use the system.

But that's what I know and how I feel.

grahf · Post by **grahf** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 10:50 pm

My first computer was a C64. My first x86 machine was a 286 w/ dos 5. Ive dabled with GNU/Linux a few times over the years. Since the release of Ubuntu 7, I finally switched over completely from XP. Its just so much more intuitive in many ways. OpenOffice is more than I need for school work.

Post by **Triton** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:07 pm

my first computer was an amiga 1000 running os1.2 followed by a 500 with 1.3. mostly used for gaming, after those was a compaq presario 7462 500mhz runnin win98. COMPAQs ARE THE DEVIL

ive been playin around with amiga os3 and honestly it has most of the basic functionality of modern operating systems even tho its almost a decade and a half old!

samus · Post by **samus** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 8:48 am

I use both Windows XP and Ubuntu 7.10. I have Windows XP mainly for WoW and if I want to rip DVDs (which is bad). I use Ubuntu for just about anything else, from web browsing, school, coding, and hopefully gaming soon.

i dual boot ubuntu and xp as well. i originally hosed my computer and started from scratch with ubuntu.. but i have a fail-p3 player (zune. i know i know. i want a zen vision m.) that can only run it's intended software. and it doesn't want to work in wine. then i taught myself how to dual boot. 5 hours. best 5 hours of my life.

aaaaaaaanyway. personally, i can't live without either. xp for my games and ubuntu for just about everything else. whenever i turn it on, it's whatever strikes me as more usable at the time.

i have my own beef with RAM. isn't 512mb standard for XP? i have my original 512mb along with 2gigs. i also have old broken RAM on my keychain. what can i say, i love RAM. (that's what she said. there, i got it out of the way.)

i just wish that consumers would all switch to linux based OS so that they would start making popular software compatible (e.g. ZUNE!). it's quicker and i'm pretty sure that people who want computers want crap to run smoothly.

wait. isn't dell now selling desktops open source?

ghosstt · Post by **ghosstt** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 9:19 am

yup. Dell offers Ubuntu instead of XP

Post by **Sparkfist** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 11:08 am

ghosstt wrote:yup. Dell offers Ubuntu instead of XP

Too bad they only offer lower end models.

I can tolerate Windows, up to a point, but really I don't like the fact that with Windows it's really all down hill from the install. I mean you have to defrag the hard drive, clean up the disk, really don't get me started on talking about the registry, and all the background programs (what the hell do you need a DHCP server for?!)

If temp files were just that, temperary and once you reboot the system their gone, I'd have a lot few complaints. Really do you need the system to save stupid crap like the image files from sites you visit? NO! Do you need shortcuts made to files/programs you use? NO!

I like Linux, or more specifically overall UNIX approach as it's much more cleaner, and better with the system. Hell look at OS X, while it's not lean like I'd prefer, you compare it to OS 9 and you'll see that it's use of the hardware and resources are far better. Why do you think Steve Jobs went with it? UNIX is over 30 years old and still going strong in on way or another. That has to say something for it's capabilities.

ghosstt · Post by **ghosstt** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 11:35 am

Think you can recommend me the best linux/unix to run? I would love for it to be as system efficient as possible. Looks isn't to important, but I guess it wouldn't hurt. (something other than unbuntu)

Post by **bicostp** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 11:55 am

Sparkfist wrote:I mean you have to defrag the hard drive, clean up the disk,

You don't have to, and it does defrag in the background when the system is idle. (I don't think any file system is completely fragment-proof.) Besides, it's not a constant thing; I only defrag a couple times a year and don't have any problems. As for cleaning up the hard disk, I only do that a couple times a year as well. Again, no problems. As the temporary folders fill up, it deletes old stuff. Besides, what's the harm in leaving a gig or so of files sitting around?

really don't get me started on talking about the registry,

Makes more sense to me than a million folders full of a million 1k text files.

and all the background programs

Here's a screenshot of all the processes currently running on my computer:
<a href="http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/749/ ... g">link</a>
Not many, and Firefox is using up about as much memory as all the rest combined.

(what the hell do you need a DHCP server for?!)

XP doesn't run a DHCP server, just a DHCP client. I think the only time it does anything like that is when it can't find a DHCP server on the network and works out what 169 address to use.

If temp files were just that, temporary and once you reboot the system their gone, I'd have a lot few complaints.

That's probably easy to do with a batch file and a scheduled task.

Really do you need the system to save stupid crap like the image files from sites you visit? NO!

It makes the pages load faster, especially for sites you go to a lot. (This forum, for example.)

Do you need shortcuts made to files/programs you use? NO!

Wait, what? You don't need shortcuts to programs you use? So every time I want to start Word I should open C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\Office10\winword.exe ?