Blu-Ray vs. HD-DVD...the format war is about over...

demonofaj · Post by **demonofaj** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 3:34 pm

Well, guess what, Blu-Ray will and I think just did win. Apparently, Disney has now agreed to make all HD media on Blu-Ray. Admit it, it's over, remember the whole DVD suxorz claim? Disney made DVD's, and BAM: DVD was the new standard in entertainement. However, now that you think of it, Blu-Ray is the superior, boasting more space and wonders...and being backed up by BIG moguls...whereas HD-DVD is rather small, and is backed up by big moguls. But I will always have a special place for HD-DVD...but should I buy that external HD-DVD drive for my 360 now?

So Disney is now all Blu-Ray: Thoughts, scares....predictions?!

gamer2 · Post by **gamer2** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 3:45 pm

Disney isnt the reason that DVDs ended the VHS. Its because of the PS2 being able to play DVDs.

anyway, neither will win. Its way too soon for a new format we are going to see a repeat of what happened in the 1980's between VHS, Betamax, and Laserdisc.

allthough Beta and LD were better picture and stuff, VHS has been around longer and outsold them. Problebly Blu-ray will beat out HD-DVD and suffer a fate like Laserdisc. Living in mediocrity to a lesser product

sgtpepper · Post by **sgtpepper** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 3:52 pm

I wonder if Steve Jobs is behind Blu-ray, since he's a big part of Disney since the whole Pixar buy-out... And how does his stance effect Apple going into the next-gen?

gamemasterAS · Post by **gamemasterAS** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 3:55 pm

I think saying disney will win a format is crap. I am not a fan of either but I think it could be the next laser disc.

demonofaj · Post by **demonofaj** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 4:00 pm

I'm not kidding, I remember this format war back then (VHS vs. DVD) and the fact that uh... I think it was Toy Story or the Blob that came out on DVD, parents rushed out of their houses and bought them. I think Sony acquiring Disney is a big step forware for Blu-Ray...and I really want an external Blu-Ray player for the 360...nothing is (impossible)....look at Ben's 360 laptop, Kazing.

gamer2 · Post by **gamer2** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 4:02 pm

its impossible

the 360 is owned by Microsoft
Blu-ray was invented by Sony

Sony and Microsoft are rivals. It would be like having Halo on the Wii.

Post by **Triton** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 4:06 pm

there really was no dvd format war tho due to the fact that there were no real competing formats, vhs was on the way out. vhs won the vhs/beta war for one reason

PORN! no joke, sony wouldnt let them have porn on beta so vhs kicked their ass even tho beta was better quality.

i for one think hd-dvd has the advantage due to costing less (cheapest BD player is 500$ ps3 cheapes HDdvd is the one for the xbox 360 which with the core package is also 500$ total. plus can be used in PCs as well, with some hacking. also its easier to make red laser diodes than the blue ones

Post by **gannon** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 4:22 pm

You could fit a full movie on 1 VHS tape while it'd normally take 2 Betamax tapes.

Post by **bicostp** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 4:25 pm

This is a major blow to HD-DVD. (Just think about how many marques are owned by Disney... they're like the GM of the movie industry.)

I thought VHS won because it was easier to record to... Maybe I'm wrong.

Post by **Sparkfist** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 4:28 pm

You sure that Disney jumped to a different ship all together, and not just offer their movies in both formats. I know that there companies like Fox that are going with both.

Also I agree PS2 is what made DVDs popluar. It came out and suddenly kids had a video game console and the parents had a DVD player. Sony's doing the same thing with thier Uber console the PS3, offering Blue-Ray on it so people will start buying the Blue-Ray format of movies.

About BetaMax, it's biggest flaw was the time it had. It's video capasity was 1.5 hours best, 3 hours standard, and 4.5 hours longest. That didn't work out that great for say movies that were over 90 minutes. VHS gave you at the best quality 2 hours and so it was picked up for that simple reason. S-VHS was the format that finally made it back up to BetaMax quality.

The biggest flaws with LD was it's size and the fact it scratched easily. Back when they were released people were not educated enough as to how to take care of a LD, the fact it was easily scratched likely made it so that the average consumer would stop buying it thinking it's too fagile. The size things is obvious, the damn thing is bigger then a vinal record and those things were pretty big. So at the time was it really work it unless you were as Jones put into high quality video? No.

XPCportables · Post by **XPCportables** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 6:06 pm

sgtpepper wrote:I wonder if Steve Jobs is behind Blu-ray, since he's a big part of Disney since the whole Pixar buy-out... And how does his stance effect Apple going into the next-gen?

I'm going to say yes. But only because Apple helped develop Blu-Ray.

Indigno · Post by **Indigno** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 7:13 pm

I think that one will wil for a short while, but I think that either flash stick movies will come out and/ or people will start buying movies online to media computers via systems similar to itunes.

Post by **marshallh** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 7:18 pm

I still think the majority of people will stick to regular DVDs because until everyone has HDTV, there is no discernible difference anyway.

And people really don't like re-buying the movies they already have *cough*disney dvds*cough*

Reploid Ayla · Post by **Reploid Ayla** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 7:20 pm

Sparkfist wrote:
The biggest flaws with LD was it's size and the fact it scratched easily. Back when they were released people were not educated enough as to how to take care of a LD, the fact it was easily scratched likely made it so that the average consumer would stop buying it thinking it's too fagile. The size things is obvious, the damn thing is bigger then a vinal record and those things were pretty big. So at the time was it really work it unless you were as Jones put into high quality video? No.

I don't think size or durability should determine whether or not any particular format is better than another. There actually is a way to use not only vinyl records, but laser discs as well in a fashion that not only produces ammmazing results and produces very minimal wear (if any at all with laser disc). Laser Discs are also normally smaller than vinyl records at .2 inches smaller. As far as the durability of laser discs, they are not that different from a vinyl record. Both are indeed fragile, but laser discs don't even get physically touched by a diamond tipped phonograph cartridge or tape head. This means, if you're not a copulate idiot, then taking a twelve inch disc out of a paper sleeve and placing it on a tray without touching the disc should be pretty simple. As for records. If you don't have the time or patience to spend two minutes cleaning a record and waiting for it to dry before playing it then you probably shouldn't be listening to music. Also about needles and wear and such...If your crap boombox cd drive causes friction wear on the bottom of your cd do you keep playing and copulate up your cds? or do you go not be an poop egress and fork out the cash to buy a new cd player? Then why on earth wouldn't vinyl and turntables be any different? If you know what you are doing and have one hundred and fifty dollars, you can get a player that wont even begin to harm your records until 5000 hours. So when comparing anything digital to either analog format, you're just an poop egress for praising a machine that crap in your eyes and ears...

/analog rant

XPCportables · Post by **XPCportables** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 8:00 pm

You guys are looking at this all wrong, Most people don't have HDTVs right now, but in 2 years I think that you might see quite a bit different numbers. Anybody who is about to invest in a new TV at this point, is not going to buy an SDTV, they will buy an HDTV. A 32" HD tube tv is as cheap now as our 32" SD Trinitron was 4 years ago when we bought it. And when we make our next TV investment in a year or two, we will probably go for the same price range and screen size, which will be an HDTV. If you look at the TV section of any electronics retailer, they have maybe one or two rows of SDTVs and then the rest is HD. The next wave of people upgrading their TVs will go HD, and then people will begin buying the movie format that looks best on their TVs.