I told you! $400!

NES_fanatic · Post by **NES_fanatic** » Thu May 11, 2006 8:31 am

Yay Bob Ross Painting! I'm getting the DS port of it.

Post by **SpongeBuell** » Thu May 11, 2006 9:42 am

Cyberblade wrote:http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000FL ... oding=UTF8

Heres one dual layer blu ray disc. ONE! Not a case of em, but just one. 60$. Sure, we'll take 20$ off of packaging on it. So say it takes 40$ for each blu ray disc. They're sure to add just as much to the price to compensate for the amount spent on the game, maybe even more because of PS3's high development costs. I'm betting bare minimum of 70$ for PS3 game discs, maybe as high as 100$. You buy a PS3 and 3 games and you're at no less then 710$ without tax. Without tax! Sony's pushing prices beyond what they should be, and I'm willing to bet it bite them in the but.

Keep in mind, that is for a blu-ray rewritable, not one of the pressed discs that the games normally come on. The latter is going to be much cheaper, though I would still estimate ~$10/disc (a DVD would be less than $1, for what it's worth).

Mikeyman64 · Post by **Mikeyman64** » Thu May 11, 2006 1:10 pm

Wow, I'm sure sorry I didn't see this thread sooner! All I can say is that I'm 16 and I'm getting a Wii, even though Revolution sounds better (I also know several teens my own age who are going the same direction). And I'm going to enjoy my games and not tick anybody off by saying that their chosen console sucks. And in the end, there is no reason to argue over a game.
I'm not trying to be "politically correct" or anyting, I just think this is all very dumb and most of you are acting like you just finished your nap and need a diaper change.

UrchinTraksx · Post by **UrchinTraksx** » Mon May 15, 2006 1:13 pm

Oh really ?

dankicksass · Post by **dankicksass** » Mon May 15, 2006 2:14 pm

Here's some problems with the PS3, from my observations:

1. The controller needs work. The XYZ sensing displayed at E3 was unimpressive, and I don't see how it could be utilised in my favorite type of game, fighting games. While my favorite controllers do not support rumble (Nuby's Street Fighter pad for PS2/Xbox and Nintendo's Wavebird for GCN) I feel that the deletion of rumble availability is detrimental to the PS3, and unexcusable. Shame on you, Sony.

2. The PS3 is exorbetantly overpriced. The basic console is crippled at $500, and really isn't even worth looking at because of its limitations and no upgradability. The upgrade PS3 is $200 more than a premium Xbox360, and is estimated to be almost three times the price of a Wii. A $600 console is just too much.

3. Blu-Ray is tomorrow's Betamax. Sony is putting its efforts into yet another failing video technology. UMD has already bitten the bullet as a video technology as well. And MiniDisc failed as an audio technology. Sony has a long history of producing expensive new audio and video formats that nobody else wants. Blu-Ray is just too expensive. HD-DVD will surpass it immediately, and Sony will once again be standing with their tail between their legs, still trying to push their proprietary format.

My prediction for the PS3:

The PS3 will sell out immeditely at launch, and Sony will leave America high and dry in a 4-6 month console shortage. I'll make $1000 off some poor sap buying his spoiled brat a PS3 for Christmas on eBay. Within a year, Sony will lose developers because people won't be buying the console after the shortage in America is taken care of, and the Japanese will be buisy playing with their Wii. Even the Japanese know a bad deal when they see it.

Sony Computer Entertainment will delay the PSP-2 once they see problems with the PS3. 11 months after launch, their warranty centers will be piled with PS3 Blu-Ray drive units that had read errors. PS3s worldwide will have issues connecting to Playstation Online, because Sony has never had a true online service work. Sony will drop PS1 and early PS2 game support, because they will blame drive errors on this. To quell bad press, Sony will drop console prices $100 for each unit. This will not help them.

They will then launch the PSP-2 during its delay, hurried up to get to market to compete with Microsoft's new Xbox Live Mobile gaming device. Nintendo will launch a new Gameboy, resurrecting the Gameboy line with a widescreen model, one month after the other portable consoles. Nintendo will, as always, dominate the mobile gaming market, and will have the first mobile with built in rumble. Sony's PSP-2 will trail the other mobiles in the marketplace, again because of expensive proprietary formats and poor online support.

Sony doesn't have to fail, but they sure are doing all in their power to make sure they do. You heard it here first.

NES_fanatic · Post by **NES_fanatic** » Mon May 15, 2006 2:16 pm

UrchinTraksx wrote:Oh really ?

Hello new one. Benheck.com is a forgiving community, but this thread was at last considered 'old' and you bumped it back up here. Plus, what you had to say (or didn't, thereof) adds nothing whatsoever the the conversation. And we reallly don't like internet cliches.

Post by **Gamelver** » Mon May 15, 2006 2:43 pm

that's a bot

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daguuy · Post by **daguuy** » Mon May 15, 2006 2:44 pm

well now that this thread is back, i may as well throw in my $.02 . i think the $500 PS3 is a joke. if it has no HDMI, that defeats the purpose of having an expensive blue-ray drive.. it seems kinda pointless to have a high-defenition blue ray player that can't display high-defention. that kinda makes it (graphically) between Wii and 360. it's just not worth the $500. the $600 PS3 actually has a reason to be expensive, considering it's just $100 more than the technically inferior $500 HD DVD player

wallydawg · Post by **wallydawg** » Mon May 15, 2006 2:57 pm

Theres a few differences between the $500 and $600 PS3's as well; it doesn't seem to be like the 360 where you can update it later on:

Oh noes?

The 20GB console won't include an HDMI output, which means that it won't be able to deliver high definition pictures. But perhaps more disappointing is that wireless bluetooth controllers won't be supported; instead, gamers will have to make do with retro-style wired-up versions of the increasingly controversial PS3 pad.

In addition, the lower-end model also lacks WiFi and the slot for Memory Stick Duo cards included in the full-spec PS3.

A Sony representative on the show floor at E3 also emphasized that gamers won't be able to upgrade the memory of the 20GB version; if that's the PS3 incarnation you opt for, you're permanently stuck with a 20GB memory limit.

Post by **Gamelver** » Mon May 15, 2006 3:13 pm

heh, I love how Sony has marketing schemes from Microsoft (core/premium systems) and Nintendo (obviously, their new controller feature).

Now to adress the issue of Sony stealing Nintendo/Microsoft's ideas:

That's fine by me, since it means I could get a PS3 for cheaper eventually and a new control scheme to play games with amazing graphics. While they didn't technically steal the technology, though, you must admit that what they did was sneaky and dirty...Nintendo's new big thing: tilt/pointing control as a, if no the, primary control source of a major videogame console, heavily (hopefully) supported by the maker of said console. Note my choice of words there

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Sony, now, to appeal to those who wanted a Wii, will also have tilt control and to appeal to those who liked the idea of a "core" system (not many, btw

) also now have a "core" system...If I were to get a PS3, though, the $500 one would probably be necessary.

I know that the technology/ideas aren't new, but just the fact that Sony is now incorporating them into their next-gen plans after the competition had already done so is incredibly low of them...Oh well, I guess you can't blame 'em for trying to get more sales out of the PS3

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For those saying Sony already had tilt control...well, then why didn't they show it off last year, or previously this year? and why was there only one, pretty unresponsive demo at the show, huh

?

Post by **benheck** » Mon May 15, 2006 6:51 pm

Again, going back to my original topic here, I am shocked, as I think a lot of people were, that Sony did indeed charge so much.

I mean, a lot of people were saying a +$500 price tag, some truly deluded analysts saying $800. STILL. Anyone with knowledge of console history, which would include the stunned crowds at E3, probably didn't actually expect anything exceeding $500.

Almost like people saying "We'll have $3.50/gallon gas by July, ha ha ha" then complaining when it's $3.25. Less than the "doomsday number" but still way too much. [Used only for example, don't construe into politics or economics debate. And please no bragging about how much it is in your area - that's not bragging it's just depressing]

STILL even $500 is a lot. As for me I can see getting a 360 later this year. It'll have a huge selection of games by then, instead of the Sony launch which looks crappy.

My stance is now that the 360 will come close to, if not beat, Sony's market share. Wii will do Gamecube numbers. It's re-convinced Nintendo fans but that's about it.

This back and forth of Sony and MS saying "Make Wii your second system to ours" is horsedung, why buy a second system when I could buy 4 more games? Do these companies really want people to give Nintendo $200+, or would they rather sell you some games and controllers?

We don't even know the Wii will be $200, and I bet it isn't. Oh no, there I go again.

NES_fanatic · Post by **NES_fanatic** » Mon May 15, 2006 7:00 pm

You funny! You funny!

Meh, I heard the Wii probably won't be $200, but it won't go over $300.
If by "Gamecube Numbers" you mean phoenominal profits, then yeh.

Lucretius · Post by **Lucretius** » Mon May 15, 2006 7:08 pm

I could have sworn the price was set at $250 at E3, but you all can check my sources...

Post by **Gamelver** » Mon May 15, 2006 7:11 pm

The GC didn't have a lot of sales (profit, yes, sales, NO!

) and bad third party support.

The Wii might not have great third party support but I think it should get a lot of sales, and with it being so cheap to make, a lot of profit for Nintendo.

I still predict a price of $250, as luc mentioned, also.....

Post by **Skyone** » Mon May 15, 2006 7:53 pm

I predict Wii will be the final winning console. Not because I like Nintendo, but because of what happened at E3.