Questo o Quella: Does it really matter?

[Gamelver]

People are a problem.

[Triton]

fastest way to world peace is to kill all of the people! no people? no problem!

[bicostp]

A crap public welfare program and only the trash of America will bank on.

You mean we don't have one now?

[Bibin]

Anyone else bothered by the fact that while many McCain supporters made fun of Obama's frequent use of the word "Change", McCain's new slogan is "Change you can believe in"?

[RockNRoll!]

McCain. I also find it funny that Obama supporters mock Palin's lack of experience. Pretty much the only issue I care about is gun control, which Obama supports and I hate. It doesn't matter who's more crooked than the other, the next president is gonna be who ever's crooked enough to win.

[CronoTriggerfan]

Basically if Bob Barr doesn't win we all lose.

If Osama wins. We get socialism and higher taxes. A crap public welfare program and only the trash of America will bank on. Only good thing? Maybe getting out of Iraqi...maybe... Basically the idea of America "Land of the Free" will be gone as the government will be holding peoples hand and telling us what we can and can not do.

If Mcdonald wins. 4 more years of Bush. More spending and more Iraqi and 9/11 crap.

Good thing I still have 5+ years of college ahead of me so I don't have to pay taxes (woo for tax refunds!) to a socialist government.

Point is, who is the lesser of those two evils, and who can actually win this election? A vote for Barr might as well be a vote for piss, it's nothing. Pick the best of the worse; from your list, I'd say one candidate has a longer list than the other...

A crap public welfare program and only the trash of America will bank on.

You mean we don't have one now?

We do, but whose fault is that?

[grossaffe]

Basically if Bob Barr doesn't win we all lose.

If Osama wins. We get socialism and higher taxes. A crap public welfare program and only the trash of America will bank on. Only good thing? Maybe getting out of Iraqi...maybe... Basically the idea of America "Land of the Free" will be gone as the government will be holding peoples hand and telling us what we can and can not do.

If Mcdonald wins. 4 more years of Bush. More spending and more Iraqi and 9/11 crap.

Good thing I still have 5+ years of college ahead of me so I don't have to pay taxes (woo for tax refunds!) to a socialist government.

Point is, who is the lesser of those two evils, and who can actually win this election? A vote for Barr might as well be a vote for piss, it's nothing. Pick the best of the worse; from your list, I'd say one candidate has a longer list than the other...

A crap public welfare program and only the trash of America will bank on.

You mean we don't have one now?

We do, but whose fault is that?

that kind of thought is the exact reason these two crappy parties have a strangle hold on our political system. Your vote for McCain has just as much chance at affecting the entire election as my vote for Bob Barr. Voting for the lesser of two evils is why we get stuck with terrible options every ****ing election. If we stand up and tell them that they are not guaranteed our votes, then there's a chance they may actually try to do something to earn it.

[CronoTriggerfan]

that kind of thought is the exact reason these two crappy parties have a strangle hold on our political system. Your vote for McCain has just as much chance at affecting the entire election as my vote for Bob Barr. Voting for the lesser of two evils is why we get stuck with terrible options every ****ing election. If we stand up and tell them that they are not guaranteed our votes, then there's a chance they may actually try to do something to earn it.

PolySci 101: Your vote, ideologically, is useless. I hate the two-party system just as much as anyone else right about now, but you don't change it by pissing away a vote on some Libertarian candidate, but by actually getting involved in the system, getting your ideologies represented, and fighting for a real change. If you aren't willing to do that, then you shouldn't complain.

To be honest, I think Bob Barr would be better than either of the two we've got right now. He's fiscally principled, advocates strong law enforcement, and loves the NRA. With the exception of his tyraids about "fascist American intelligence agencies", joining up with ACLU cronies, and his immature belief that "civil liberties" for terrorists are more important than intelligence we'd get from them, he would make a good leader on paper. But that doesn't matter if you read paragraph one carefully.

[grossaffe]

that kind of thought is the exact reason these two crappy parties have a strangle hold on our political system. Your vote for McCain has just as much chance at affecting the entire election as my vote for Bob Barr. Voting for the lesser of two evils is why we get stuck with terrible options every ****ing election. If we stand up and tell them that they are not guaranteed our votes, then there's a chance they may actually try to do something to earn it.

PolySci 101: Your vote, ideologically, is useless. I hate the two-party system just as much as anyone else right about now, but you don't change it by pissing away a vote on some Libertarian candidate, but by actually getting involved in the system, getting your ideologies represented, and fighting for a real change. If you aren't willing to do that, then you shouldn't complain.

I am not pissing away my vote. I do not want McCain in office, I do not want Obama in office. I know Barr will not win, but I refuse to compromise my principles just because the Democrats and Republicans have a stranglehold on our political system. As I stated before, the odds of my vote for McCain are just as likely as affecting the outcome of the election as my vote for Barr, but at least with a vote for Barr I won't hate myself.

To be honest, I think Bob Barr would be better than either of the two we've got right now. He's fiscally principled, advocates strong law enforcement, and loves the NRA. With the exception of his tyraids about "fascist American intelligence agencies", joining up with ACLU cronies, and his immature belief that "civil liberties" for terrorists are more important than intelligence we'd get from them, he would make a good leader on paper. But that doesn't matter if you read paragraph one carefully.

I wouldn't expect Barr to be your ideal candidate as you are a conservative. I, however, am a libertarian and do believe in civil liberties. One of the things that I really like about him is that he is both a member of the NRA and the ACLU. However, that is what makes us different and why we should have more than two options for president.

[Rekarp]

If I vote Bob Barr I still get that sticker. And thats what matters the most.

[Triton]

our current healthcare system is a steaming pile of crap. at least where i live our hospital is a copulate joke, insurance is insanely expensive unless you have a job where your employer supplies it and even then it tends to be expensive. when i was working at fareway it would have cost me more per month for insurance than i MADE in a month! i havent had health insurance for 7 months since i got kicked off of hawkeye (state funded healthcare for kids up to 18 years of age) and because of my parents income i am probably not eligable for title 19 insurance. so if anything bad happens to me or i get seriously ill im pretty well f***ed financially

[CronoTriggerfan]

our current healthcare system is a steaming pile of crap. at least where i live our hospital is a screw joke, insurance is insanely expensive unless you have a job where your employer supplies it and even then it tends to be expensive. when i was working at fareway it would have cost me more per month for insurance than i MADE in a month! i havent had health insurance for 7 months since i got kicked off of hawkeye (state funded healthcare for kids up to 18 years of age) and because of my parents income i am probably not eligable for title 19 insurance. so if anything bad happens to me or i get seriously ill im pretty well f***ed financially

So what are you advocating? That the government should give you healthcare? I really thought that was the most telling part of the debate when Obama called healthcare a "right".

[Gamelver]

you know, I was actually quoting a summarization of a summary of a summary ...

[SpongeBuell]

I really thought that was the most telling part of the debate when Obama called healthcare a "right".

So did I, but I'm actually glad to see that. Truth is, many countries have universal health care systems, and I'd love to see that here. Insurance companies, including health insurance, do not exist primarily to pay for people to get health care. They exist to be profitable. They add many extra steps to the process of getting the care that is (sometimes urgently) needed. Do you think that this extra step from sickness to treatment pays for itself? No, someone's gotta pay for it. The way I see it, it's extra fat that can be trimmed down, especially the profit that they inherently make from being a for-profit corporation. Commercialism and profiting should have nothing to do with the health and well-being of an actual PERSON. I hate to quote Michael Moore, but he really did say it best, "Health insurance companies are corporations. By law, they are required to be as profitable as possible for the shareholders. How do they make profit? By denying claims."

Some may say that a government health care system would be bureaucratic. If we're going to make a new system, why not make it right? you know, from the start? I have a couple friends from Spain, and have heard nothing but good things about their system (which is government supported). Obviously, we've heard quite a bit from our Canadian friends in the other thread about their health care system, more good than bad. Are their taxes higher? Sure. But at least they're actually GETTING something out of it. If nothing else, think about it as buying in bulk.

[Rekarp]

Sorry I am not paying for some fat lazy son of a * to get health care cause he ate to many cheese burgers. Not saying Triton is lazy or anything.

You know if we didn't have health care maybe natural selection would get a jump start Hell get rid of hospitals while we are at it.

*(rhymes with itch)