What's Going on Here?

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Re: What's Going on Here?

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snowpenguin wrote:Did you really just tell everybody to unpick their side and just be neutral? Really? I've tried to remain neutral, calling bluffs and lies, but just because I'm leaning toward one side but have no personal beef like Palmer I have to get out???
Not get out, just stop stirring the pot so much. If anything I would side with Palmer, but that does no good, because only one person can address his remaining concern.

Look, I'm genuinely sorry if I offended anyone, but I still fail to see where everyone picking a side or just stirring the pot helps at all.
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whatever happened to haterz? that dude needs to come in here and really tell everyone what's up. who's with me?
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Re: What's Going on Here?

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neverused wrote:Why does everyone have to take offense so quickly? I included myself in that quote, matter of fact I'm a hypocrite for even posting this.
Basically why doesn't everyone just sit back and let the few people with the major issues work them out?
Because You just told me to shut up and that everything I say in this thread is pointless and worthless.
Of course I will take offense to that.
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AfroLH wrote:
neverused wrote:Why does everyone have to take offense so quickly? I included myself in that quote, matter of fact I'm a hypocrite for even posting this.
Basically why doesn't everyone just sit back and let the few people with the major issues work them out?
Because You just told me to shut up and that everything I say in this thread is pointless and worthless.
Of course I will take offense to that.

I told everyone to shut up and meant to do so myself, but I'm an idiot and keep replying. FINE, don't shut up, but please everyone just chill out.

Yeah, haterz needs to return. Did anyone ever figure out if he was just someone playing a joke or was that a real person?
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collinE wrote:whatever happened to haterz? that dude needs to come in here and really tell everyone what's up. who's with me?
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Why exactly does he need to come in here? So he can say, "Y ar u guyz tokking abowt signaturs in a websightabowt elektroniks???" No thanks. I've had him in my sig for a while now, as most of the crap he said was genuinely funny, although not intended, but figured this whole forum war was moar important so I based my sig off that.
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Re: What's Going on Here?

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Triton wrote:so your annoyed that somebody choose to respond to a particular part of one of your (typically very long winded) posts and not the whole thing basically? and as to the part in bold I wasnt demanding anything, i just dont wanna have to wade thru 3 paragraphs of verbosity to find out what your talking about. which is MY problem, your pissed off about various things and I dont know what or why like others have said, we cant read minds! your sig was vandalized (which is news to me) i dont know when, or why it happened but im assuming its been a while, dragging crap like this out in the open doesnt really help anything at all! Also, those people who insult you then disappear, its called TROLLING, every place on the internet has one, someone who wants to stir crap up.
No, I am not "annoyed", I am furious. :lol: For example, my record breaking post was so long because I had to deal with very long winded posts from 4 different people! I will concede that I should probably make my posts shorter if I want people to actually respond to them, but again, when I bring up issues, I would honestly rather have the person just not reply than to read my whole post, then pick ONE thing out of it to argue about.

As to "trolling"... Triton, did you perhaps notice that ALL of my posts have been pointing at moderators? I honestly do not give much of a crap if general members ignore my long rants against mod protocol, I was talking to you guys, and in a large portion, YOU IN PARTICULAR! Take a look in the old thread, YOU are one of those people that was so infuriating to me by "pick and choosing" what you wanted to deal with, and slinging a few personal insults (Which you later said was a generalization, but originally, only ME and ONE OTHER person were SPECIFICALLY named). So if I am to understand you, the mods on this site are trolls? WAT? :facepalm: Honestly, I cannot really see where in the world you are trying to go with the troll argument...

As for the sig, I deal with it later in this post.
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2. I still want the admin responsible for vandalizing my signature on personal grounds to stop ignoring me and if not apologize, at least admit he did it. That was a complete abuse of power, and until they admit as much, there is no way I will change my opinion that at least some of the administration and moderation staff on BH have serious issues. You know who you are! How about you stop being a coward and making your peers look bad, and admit your wrongdoing, eh?
says to me is "BAWW IM HOLDING A GRUDGE ON THE INTERNET!" :facepalm: is it really worth it?
Is it worth it to me? Probably not. Is it worth is based on principle? Possibly. Should it be important for you, a moderator, to at least pretend it is a serious offense, and not call "BAAAW" on the people who complain about one of the few valid blatant abuses of power on the forum? Yes.


Triton wrote: and as to the "dragging it out in the open" I have always personally prefered to handle matters of personal slight privately and discretely, rather than cause drama.
Guess what? This happened a long time ago, and I took several months of patient PMs to who I thought may be the culprits. Then, when that failed, I spent several more talking to various people in PRIVATE to try and figure out who it was. Then, I has pretty much just let it go until the "Clear the air" thread, when a mod (I forget who) basically said "No mod or admin on benheck has ever purposely abused their power for personal reasons against any one member, so I pulled it up. Guess what? I got ignored. I brought it up AGAIN in public, and that thread was also ignored and locked. And in this thread, I have to bring it up several times to finally get any kind of acknowledgment of the issue. If you had read any of my SEVERAL posts in the other thread that talked about this, you might remember. I clearly tried to deal with it in private, so what is your beef with my being public about it after several months of going nowhere? This is not not raging in the open after less than a week as in the supposed resolution of the LOTWRDB, this is bringing it to light after far more than a reasonable amount of time has passed.

Basically, pay attention to the actual facts or kindly GTFO.

Skyone wrote:@palmertech

How did an admin change your signature? I want exact details (what the signature was before, and after).
Not sure what it was before, probably some quote I thought was lulz'y. I forget the exact wording, but it was changed by someone to a sig saying something along the lines of "Hi, I am a lying idiot troller who lives with his mom", with purposeful bad punctuation and spelling. Gotta sleep now, I really do, but when I wake up in 10 or 12 hours, I can post more details.

EDIT: srsly, mad props to Skyone for actually doing something about this in the open. :mrgreen: (No slight meant to those who had tried to help me behind the scenes, you know who you are, I appreciate you guys, too.)


And, and I have more suggestions.. But last time I tried to give friendly suggestions, a few certain people decided that flaming me to death over unrelated issues was the best way to handle it. :wink: Honestly, though, this "battle", if you could call it that, should prove constructive at the end of the day. :lol:

@rest of the thread: LOL, you guyz crack mee up! :arrow: :idea: :!: :?: :?: :idea: :facepalm:
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Re: What's Going on Here?

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About Palmer's sig, there has to be some kind of record kept about when sigs are edited, right? I'm sure for each member there is a massive text file containing everything pertaining to us ever posted, edited, locked, etc., right? Couldn't one of you mods use your special mod powers and look it up? Skyone seems to be interested, maybe he could do it?
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snowpenguin wrote:About Palmer's sig, there has to be some kind of record kept about when sigs are edited, right? I'm sure for each member there is a massive text file containing everything pertaining to us ever posted, edited, locked, etc., right? Couldn't one of you mods use your special mod powers and look it up? Skyone seems to be interested, maybe he could do it?
The very thought of having to do that is mind numbingly boring, but it could work. It'd be so much easier/ nicer if the responsible party just apologized though.
palmertech wrote:Gotta sleep now, I really do, but when I wake up in 10 or 12 hours, I can post more details.
I wish I could still sleep in for 10-12 hours. I'll be back up and at 'em in about 4 :(
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I'm sure they could just do a search for changes to Palmer's sig between such and such times.
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I'm not an admin, but I got SpongeBuell to run through the records. However, they only date so far (because of an update to phpbb3). Palmer said to me that this happened over a year ago.
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Skyone wrote:There also wouldn't be a Portable-Palooza (2008/2009), among other things.
What, no compo for the end of August as planned, and so many people have been working hard to enter into? Who made that decision?
Triton wrote:and as to the "dragging it out in the open" I have always personally prefered to handle matters of personal slight privately and discretely, rather than cause drama.
Rubbish.

BTW - the vote to vote you in/out was edited by you/ "staff", your posts which I replied to were transformed into short and sweetly phrased posts to make my replies look unreasonable, some posts others put in there "vanished", my posts got edited - yes, that's right everyone - my posts got edited: "staff" got involved in the post when they said before they weren't; for these reasons I stopped posting in it, no point. It was so rigged there was no point being further part of it. Unusually, I fell into an ambush in which I had no chance, normally I don't fall into traps but did here - error in my judgement.

Before it gets rebutted, here is the post I raised in that topic at the time, the accusation was never dismissed as after all, it was true:
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Triton wrote:Do people who tend to do bad things USUALLY confess their wrongdoings?
That says a lot....


BTW - in a PM I got from Ben several months ago (think I deleted it a while back by mistake when clearing out old PM's) when I complained about Skyone (for posting argumentative posts then locking threads to stop replies) and Triton (a different matter), Ben said he barely has any involvement in the forums anymore, doesn't agree with things that go on, but has no time to put into the forum so leaves it to the Admin/Mods to run. That's as closely phrased as I recall it. Perhaps if Ben was active here things would be different.

The comments from the "staff" to general members in this thread are far from "team building", which seem to have antagonized a number of people here. Like I said before, you (the "staff") have only got yourselves to blame for how things have developed, the splinter group (and its success) and the many quality members who have left the site in the last couple of years never to be seen again, because they have got fed up. There is a phrase in business widely used "don't blame the workers, blame the management".
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bacteria wrote:
Skyone wrote:There also wouldn't be a Portable-Palooza (2008/2009), among other things.
What, no compo for the end of August as planned, and so many people have been working hard to enter into? Who made that decision?
Yeah, you definitely misunderstood what I was saying.

I've grown far too tired to respond to your entire post, or anyone's for that matter. If that makes me a bad moderator, then so be it. Only a few select moderators have been actively defending ourselves in this thread, and I'm done being one. Again, if that makes me a bad moderator, talk with a higher-up and get me de-ranked. This whole thing has taken away from the essential spirit that used to be plentiful. I'm personally sick of dealing with a few of you, and I don't care how weak that makes me look. I'm removing myself from this whole situation, and this thread in specific. I'll be hiding with SS until this is all done - peace!
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Skyone wrote:I'm personally sick of dealing with a few of you, and I don't care how weak that makes me look.
There's a quote to sig...

Switzerland was not neutral BTW, they made their economy by Nazi gold and treasures; it built the economy and prevented invasion. That's according the various programs on the History Channel anyway.
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