Pirating = Stealing

hailrazer · Post by **hailrazer** » Sun Nov 16, 2008 8:52 pm

Just a thought. And this doesn't make pirating right but .....

Why would anyone care what laws the U.S. Government makes about pirating software when the U.S. Government does it themselves? :

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07/30 ... t_blocked/

*Quick synopsis*

U.S. Air Force hires someone to reverse engineer some software that is due to expire. Then they copy what they want from the program to make it "their own". Then when they get sued they use a 130 year old "Sovereign Immunity" Law to get it thrown out of court.

And apparently they have done this a few times.

Like I said, just because it is legal/illegal doesn't have squat to do with anything.

Jongamer · Post by **Jongamer** » Sun Nov 16, 2008 9:34 pm

When was downloading Fansubbed Anime considered Pirating?

Post by **Sparkfist** » Sun Nov 16, 2008 9:52 pm

Jongamer wrote:When was downloading Fansubbed Anime considered Pirating?

Technically it's not, at least until it's licensed in your country. Then if you have a fan-sub or whatever copy that is not a licensed copy it's illegal.

As for what Triton posted. Fair enough. But I, nor most of use were privy to that conversation. But yeah it make a valid point that for someone to call anyone that pirates, be it software, video, music or whatever. Ridicules and demesnes them, all the while is downloading a fan-sub of Bleach, it is hypocrisy.

It is on the same level of Al Gore. And no I don't want this to spin off in to a political thread. My point is you talk the talk you better be walking the walk. I hate people who make double standards by saying, "This is bad, stop it!", but then turn around and do what they just said people should stop doing.

Post by **Triton** » Sun Nov 16, 2008 10:18 pm

according to the anime industry massive fansubbing and piracy is killing the industry and not in the way that music piracy is "killing" music according to the RIAA. many anime producers have and are closing down because of financial problems (geneon is one of the recent ones) i do download anime to watch but over 50% of it is unlicensed in the US. if i could actually afford to buy anime on DVD i would do so in a heartbeat but 20-30$ a disc for 4-6 episodes is a bit absurd

Rekarp · Post by **Rekarp** » Sun Nov 16, 2008 10:57 pm

you should post the entire AIM log triton /dies laughing

cowsgoquack101 · Post by **cowsgoquack101** » Sun Nov 16, 2008 11:00 pm

Well, I'm going to say this before the feds knock down my door, I pirate. I do, it's easy, and fast. Sorry.

My other point is, and I'm sure it doesn't make up a big majority but it's a thought, what about all of the people who buy things used? Stores such as gamestop and gamecrazy have to have some effect on a company. None of the money from those used sales goes to the game comapny. They also sell DVD's so it makes up that too.

So, if you buy a brand new CD used (garage sale or something) that's also not money going to the creator is it not?

XPCportables · Post by **XPCportables** » Sun Nov 16, 2008 11:51 pm

cowsgoquack101 wrote:Well, I'm going to say this before the feds knock down my door, I pirate. I do, it's easy, and fast. Sorry.

My other point is, and I'm sure it doesn't make up a big majority but it's a thought, what about all of the people who buy things used? Stores such as gamestop and gamecrazy have to have some effect on a company. None of the money from those used sales goes to the game comapny. They also sell DVD's so it makes up that too.

So, if you buy a brand new CD used (garage sale or something) that's also not money going to the creator is it not?

Exactly the point I was trying to make. I buy used for most of my games, I will only buy new if the game is phenomenal enough to pay full price for and get a perfect case and everything (or like with the Orange Box, where I absolutely had to get it the first day). Very few games fit that, and I'm sure that it is the same with a lot of people. If there is an entire, very large, industry built around the trade of used games, then you know it has to be a pretty big sector of the market that buy used. That's got to hurt the game industry more, because it is so much more convenient as well as being legal. For the average person, getting online, downloading games, burning them to a disk, modding their consoles... It's too much of a hassle, but if they buy used, they get a good deal and have no hassle.

Negative_Creep · Post by **Negative_Creep** » Mon Nov 17, 2008 3:27 am

LOL nice one...

The gaming industry deserves to survive, but the music and movie industry doesn't!

APHawkes · Post by **APHawkes** » Mon Nov 17, 2008 8:12 am

OK, maybe my view of piracy is a bit different because I am a software developer. And the company I work for sells a product that is well over the "outrageous" price of $1300 for Final Cut Pro. There is something magical about this age of digital media, and it's a two-edged sword. It makes it REALLY easy to copy things! That means:

1. When I make a program, game, song, video, tv show, etc... I only have to make it ONCE. But that one time has to be awesome. There's no "I'll do better next time" here my friends, it's all or nothing. Unless you're George Lucas, that movie you're watching will remain the same forever. Almost all of its costs were up front. Lots of money was paid to lots of people before it was ever presented to the consumer.

2. Because my costs are relatively fixed, I have to price to cover the upfront costs. Also, take into account the risks involved and to cover for other projects that don't pan out as well as others. When people don't pay, that raises the cost per-person, which means they charge more, which makes more people pirate it, and so on.

Maybe I'd give some slack for things that are no longer available in any form, but that's a bit of an edge case. I have a problem with people who are indignant saying that a program/song/movie is too expensive, so they're going to steal it.

Bass Creator · Post by **Bass Creator** » Mon Nov 17, 2008 7:23 pm

^ dling now
lol

grossaffe · Post by **grossaffe** » Mon Nov 17, 2008 8:07 pm

Bass Creator wrote:^ dling now
lol

link?

Jongamer · Post by **Jongamer** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 10:20 am

I'm sorry no software should come close to costing $600+
No matter what it is used for, if it is available to the Public, there is no reason it should cost anymore than $250 at MAX, and that should only be for Operating systems.

You know what, I have been meaning to get Photoshop for a while, I think I will go download that right now.

F* paying $600+ for a program I am only gonna use every once in a while.

APHawkes · Post by **APHawkes** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:38 am

Jongamer wrote:I'm sorry no software should come close to costing $600+

Based on what, exactly?

Harshboy · Post by **Harshboy** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 12:58 pm

Jongamer wrote:I'm sorry no software should come close to costing $600+
No matter what it is used for, if it is available to the Public, there is no reason it should cost anymore than $250 at MAX, and that should only be for Operating systems.

You know what, I have been meaning to get Photoshop for a while, I think I will go download that right now.

F* paying $600+ for a program I am only gonna use every once in a while.

Check out CS4

CS4 uses your graphics card to help out so it runs super fast. That's good for me since my 8600 GT owns my P4

Kurt_ · Post by **Kurt_** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 1:00 pm

His consumer demand.

However if the pentagon is buying a security program, or sony is buying a program that simulates AI, should it not cost more than $600?

It depends on the software, and how much they can sell it for while still getting a profit.

Those $1600 softwares are designed for studios to buy. Any sales to private consumers are a bonus.