Welcome President Barack Obama, 44th President

vskid · Post by **vskid** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:04 pm

Jongamer wrote:
vskid wrote:
grossaffe wrote:
jjhammerstein wrote:Why are there so many McCain supporters up in this club?
who says we're all McCain supporters?
Ya, I think most of the "Nobama" people are thinking of this:
Wikipedia wrote:The United States of America is a federal constitutional republic
Not a democracy. We are governed by the constitution, not by what the majority thinks.
You do realize that the majority of people in this country are complete dumbasses don't ya?

Yes, which is why its good that we aren't a full-blown democracy.

Jongamer · Post by **Jongamer** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:45 pm

vskid wrote:
Jongamer wrote:
vskid wrote:
grossaffe wrote:
jjhammerstein wrote:Why are there so many McCain supporters up in this club?
who says we're all McCain supporters?
Ya, I think most of the "Nobama" people are thinking of this:
Wikipedia wrote:The United States of America is a federal constitutional republic
Not a democracy. We are governed by the constitution, not by what the majority thinks.
You do realize that the majority of people in this country are complete dumbasses don't ya?
Yes, which is why its good that we aren't a full-blown democracy.

*nods* Agreed

Post by **Sparkfist** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 9:11 pm

Jongamer wrote:
vskid wrote:
Wikipedia wrote:The United States of America is a federal constitutional republic
Not a democracy. We are governed by the constitution, not by what the majority thinks.
You do realize that the majority of people in this country are complete dumbasses don't ya?

True as that statement might be, what we really are is a representative democracy. We the people elect a person by majority to act in our interests. Well that might not always happen, it's how we all vote... or rather should. We vote for who's values and actions match best with our own.

jjhammerstein wrote:I cheered because I see a chance for a government that doesn't have the military-industrial complex's hand up its ass.

SOCIALISM YAAAAAAAY

While I'm sure you're excited about that, I personally want the chance to earn money and have a family. And have that money be large enough so that I can take them out to have fun, whenever I have the time. I don't like it when people in the government are telling me how much money I can earn, and what my money is going to be spent on.

The money I earn at my job is first and fore-most my money. I will let the government take what it needs to run itself, but I don't like the idea that my money was given to banks. Practically thrown at them with the words, "Here do what you will with it, just fix the problem!"

Socialism works if everyone is willing to work and put forth the effort. The problem you find all to often is that someone is going to figure out that they're going to earn money no matter how hard they work, or at all. It's a nice Utopian idea, but you have to make people earn their keep, their food, their lively-hood. Otherwise we're just lazy.

- Sparkfist

grossaffe · Post by **grossaffe** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 10:40 pm

Jongamer wrote:
vskid wrote:
grossaffe wrote:
jjhammerstein wrote:Why are there so many McCain supporters up in this club?
who says we're all McCain supporters?
Ya, I think most of the "Nobama" people are thinking of this:
Wikipedia wrote:The United States of America is a federal constitutional republic
Not a democracy. We are governed by the constitution, not by what the majority thinks.
You do realize that the majority of people in this country are complete dumbasses don't ya?

which is why I'm glad its not majority rule and that there are (supposedly) limits on what the government can do

Gordon1 · Post by **Gordon1** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 11:21 pm

I thought there was supposed to be no politics on this forum.... Just an observation.

grossaffe · Post by **grossaffe** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 11:33 pm

Gordon1 wrote:I thought there was supposed to be no politics on this forum.... Just an observation.

well until its locked, anything goes. ANARCHY!

RockNRoll! · Post by **RockNRoll!** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 11:40 pm

I thought there was supposed to be no politics on this forum.... Just an observation.

Contrary to popular belief, people don't bark at each other and piss everybody off when talking about politics.

Sparkfist wrote:While I'm sure you're excited about that, I personally want the chance to earn money and have a family. And have that money be large enough so that I can take them out to have fun, whenever I have the time. I don't like it when people in the government are telling me how much money I can earn, and what my money is going to be spent on.

The money I earn at my job is first and fore-most my money. I will let the government take what it needs to run itself, but I don't like the idea that my money was given to banks. Practically thrown at them with the words, "Here do what you will with it, just fix the problem!"

Socialism works if everyone is willing to work and put forth the effort. The problem you find all to often is that someone is going to figure out that they're going to earn money no matter how hard they work, or at all. It's a nice Utopian idea, but you have to make people earn their keep, their food, their lively-hood. Otherwise we're just lazy.

- Sparkfist

Exactly. Plus higher taxes on the wealthy means my boss gets taxed to hell so he's not going to be too happy about hiring people or giving me a raise.

cennar · Post by **cennar** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 2:30 am

Twilight Wolf wrote:
cennar wrote:
Twilight Wolf wrote:Congratulations, President Obama. I'm still mystified by how you managed to get elected, but good luck, anyways. Just don't totally screw America up and I'll be satisfied.
Are you kidding? He's a bumper sticker.
Huh?

I'm not sure what you mean.

hes just a smile, so far, prove me right dammit. but carfull like any one in politics, some one owns his pockets. He has to pick people ready to help make dessisions. I should be looking in to his crew, that will give me a better Idea about this guy. you should look at his money.

eurddrue · Post by **eurddrue** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 5:47 pm

Sparkfist wrote:- Sparkfist

I think it is funny that an admin has posted in this thread and yet gordon still posts that we're not supposed to talk about politics

Gordon1 · Post by **Gordon1** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 12:29 am

Well, I remember a while back when we attempted to have a discussion and it got shut down. So, what makes this any different? Way to go mods.

Rules 5.0 wrote:3. No politics or religious talk. Past threads have proven the majority of benheck.com too immature to maintain a calm conversation about controversial issues and debates of religion and politics. Said topics constantly conclude with several hurt feelings, and a lock. Do not force or suggest your views and ideas upon others, this is not the place for it.

Post by **Skyone** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:22 am

Wooohoo way to gooo!

!

Rekarp · Post by **Rekarp** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:33 am

Socialism NEVER works. Everyone wants to have something better then there neighbor. This simple human drive screws up socialism.

You really think Free Health care is good? My friend from Britain (Getting his PhD in Bio at UT) says that there Health Care system is crap compared to what he pays for here.

Sure it is "Free" but that dosn't mean its good. I would rather pay a doctor out of my own pocket cause I know hes a good doctor then go to some government payed jockey.

If its Government Run its crap. Small government FTW. Libertarians Unite!

I am happy that Obama did win over McSAME though. Atleast Obama will get us out of Iraqi and hopefully get a playoff system for the NCAA football season.

mdp872105 · Post by **mdp872105** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:40 am

Guys lets not make this issue snowball out of control.

I agree political discussions are touchy subjects but getting mad and making fun of the winning or losing side wont make America or any other democratic country better. In fact more people need to embrace the political process and really understand whats going on with his or her respective government. That one thing I will say I was glad about in this election was more people where starting to look for the facts themselves and understand the problems facing America.

The time for division is over we need to unite as Americans not as democrats or republicans whose goals are to worry about there own parties influence. In fact I wish we never had a two party system so we could rely more on the influence of one man's view not his party's views.

We have elected our first African president, now I'm looking forward to electing a true independent president that is not tied to directly to any party and will do whats right for the country.

colosalblack · Post by **colosalblack** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 3:26 pm

Rekarp wrote:Socialism NEVER works. Everyone wants to have something better then there neighbor. This simple human drive screws up socialism.

You really think Free Health care is good? My friend from Britain (Getting his PhD in Bio at UT) says that there Health Care system is crap compared to what he pays for here.

Sure it is "Free" but that dosn't mean its good. I would rather pay a doctor out of my own pocket cause I know hes a good doctor then go to some government payed jockey.

If its Government Run its crap. Small government FTW. Libertarians Unite!

I am happy that Obama did win over McSAME though. Atleast Obama will get us out of Iraqi and hopefully get a playoff system for the NCAA football season.

What you americans dont get (not trying to be racist or anything) is that Universal Health Care doesent mean SOCIALISM , It doesent mean that Lenin and Stalin are going to rise from the grave and kill all human beings. It is just a fair way because it means that we can all have access to medicine and no, it does not mean doctors are slackers. To prove my point I'll let you know that most countries in Euroupe have Universal Health Care and most of them are governed by right wing parties.

grossaffe · Post by **grossaffe** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 4:08 pm

colosalblack wrote:
Rekarp wrote:Socialism NEVER works. Everyone wants to have something better then there neighbor. This simple human drive screws up socialism.

You really think Free Health care is good? My friend from Britain (Getting his PhD in Bio at UT) says that there Health Care system is crap compared to what he pays for here.

Sure it is "Free" but that dosn't mean its good. I would rather pay a doctor out of my own pocket cause I know hes a good doctor then go to some government payed jockey.

If its Government Run its crap. Small government FTW. Libertarians Unite!

I am happy that Obama did win over McSAME though. Atleast Obama will get us out of Iraqi and hopefully get a playoff system for the NCAA football season.
What you americans dont get (not trying to be racist or anything) is that Universal Health Care doesent mean SOCIALISM , It doesent mean that Lenin and Stalin are going to rise from the grave and kill all human beings. It is just a fair way because it means that we can all have access to medicine and no, it does not mean doctors are slackers. To prove my point I'll let you know that most countries in Euroupe have Universal Health Care and most of them are governed by right wing parties.

I don't care if something is technically socialism or not (by the way, Those guys were commies, not socialists.) I value the free market.