I told you! $400!

Extreme_Jesus · Post by **Extreme_Jesus** » Tue May 16, 2006 3:51 am

having seen what went down at E3 i beginning to alter my views slightly

Sony's place at the top is looking in trouble, they may end up with second place to the 360 or maybe even the Wii, but im unsure about that

If sony do come out on top then the Wii has a chance to grab second over the Microsoft, but ultimatly its all fairly useless discussing who will come out on top because now im pretty sure nintendo will make enough money and sell enough consoles to stay in the game whereas before i had doubts if they would survive this generation.

loup · Post by **loup** » Tue May 16, 2006 11:21 am

I havn't bought a new console since the original Nintendo came out, I've bought an old Genesis and N64, but that was more recently, they weren't new anymore. I really havn't been much of a console gamer, I'm more of a computer gamer, but for the first time in a long time I'm actually interested in one of the new consoles that is coming out, the Wii.

Sony's statement about making the Wii your second console was just a response to Microsoft saying the same thing about the xbox 360, and Microsoft was merely making a jab at Sony for the high price of the PS3. Neither one really wants you to buy a Wii, they're just using it to fling insults back and forth. They both would rather that you spend your money buying more games for their console (neither one is making any money on console sales, they're just expecting game sales to make up for the cost of the console.)

The PS3 mostly seems like Sony's attempt at keeping from falling behind. They see the xbox 360 come out much more powerful with a sleek new design, and they see Nintendo come out with a fairly novel system that seems to have people far more excited than they have been in a few years (was it just me, or did watching the Wii unveiling at E3 really remind you of an Apple product launch.)

I think Sony would have been much better off releasing the PS3 about the same time that Microsoft released the xbox 360, they could have done so without the blu-ray drive and had the blu-ray as an expansion released a few months later.

With the way Sony has been handling the PS3, they just come off as followers.

Extreme_Jesus · Post by **Extreme_Jesus** » Tue May 16, 2006 11:28 am

I think Sony aimed a little too high which has resulted in a high price tag

If you look at the graphics and power between the generations the jumps are quite noticable, most noticable was the 16 to 32/64 bit

Somehoe sony seem like only one to have made a generation leap in terms of processing power but that may not ahve been the best thing to do as we can see from the price

the 360 is the next gen for people who want it now, its more like an Xbox 1.5 rather than a full jump

The wii also chose not to boost the graphical power much, instead rely on the new controller and such

Krepticor · Post by **Krepticor** » Tue May 16, 2006 11:30 am

the whole point of the blu-ray was to have a system that is uniquly sony, also they have developed cell processors with IBM and Toshiba and the ps3 will be the only thing on the market to have those, three of them to be precise (they will be assembled with four but only expect to have 3 of them working off the line and will therefore lock that lemon out, they will also lock the fouth out if all three work, it is a business thing for consistency)

Anyway the blu-ray technology also allows sony to make something never done before A WORLD WIDE LAUNCH this is great since they will hit every market at the same time with the same product. They want the same product in every home throughout the world and will have the software do all the translating and stuff.

I agree that sony has assimilated ideas from other companies and i believe they would not like the price so high. The only business descision they have is to release a product they cannot afford to let microsoft take another holiday season.

Simple economics, i agree that the $500 product price is still alittle high but it is not the $800 of doom all the nay-sayers were complaining about

loup · Post by **loup** » Tue May 16, 2006 12:45 pm

Krepticor wrote:Anyway the blu-ray technology also allows sony to make something never done before A WORLD WIDE LAUNCH this is great since they will hit every market at the same time with the same product. They want the same product in every home throughout the world and will have the software do all the translating and stuff.

I can understand them wanting to do a world wide launch, but I don't understand how blu-ray facilitates this. Could you please enlighten me?

Krepticor · Post by **Krepticor** » Tue May 16, 2006 1:05 pm

ok it is a little deep but blu-ray is essentially a very large high def disk right?

Ok well it can hold a rediculous amount of data, this will allow them to sell a machine that plays ALL REGIONS, the regional language will only change by the information on the disk,

In short the disk will have every applicable language on it and the gamers will be able to play the way we choose

I just hope that all developers will do this so that us americans can play some of the really good games that would have originally been a japan only release

r at least that is what i have learned

loup · Post by **loup** » Tue May 16, 2006 1:15 pm

I suppose this would make a difference for audio, they could cram it all on there, text would be no big thing though. I suppose certain textures might be different in certain countries too, like a sign that in the US reads "Mark's Deli" might read something else in germany.

teraflop122 · Post by **teraflop122** » Tue May 16, 2006 4:39 pm

I think Sony would have been much better off releasing the PS3 about the same time that Microsoft released the xbox 360

If I remember correctly, Sony was having a bit of difficulty with their Cell processors. They would not have been able to launch with the 360.

three of them to be precise

Wasn't the Cell processor a combination of 7 PowerPC CPU's? I haven't been paying Sony much attention lately.

Game producers rarely complete a game with every language imaginable. The translating is done at a later date and a reduced cost. Software could translate the text, but the speech and textures would be more of a hassle. I'm not going to hold my breath for Sony to do anything spectacular at launch

In fact, I'll be surprised if Xbox360 doesn't drop to 200/300 just before the PS3 launch

Krepticor · Post by **Krepticor** » Tue May 16, 2006 4:42 pm

microsoft won't drop their price they are still $100 cheaper for the premium

Sword_Gun · Post by **Sword_Gun** » Tue May 16, 2006 4:45 pm

More people want the wii then any other system.

loup · Post by **loup** » Tue May 16, 2006 5:10 pm

Krepticor wrote:microsoft won't drop their price they are still $100 cheaper for the premium

I still wouldn't count out an xbox 360 price drop sometime this fall, they may do so to further undercut the PS3 and also as an attempt to better compete with the Wii's price point (I don't think it will be as low as the Wii, but I still think they'll go lower)

Krepticor · Post by **Krepticor** » Tue May 16, 2006 5:23 pm

Sword_Gun wrote:More people want the wii then any other system.

no more people want the ps3 but don't want to pay $500

Post by **Triton** » Tue May 16, 2006 6:05 pm

actually i disagree, i for one dont want a ps3 and would rather buy a wii and save the other 250-300$ for something worthwhile. i have been hearing rumors that the wee cold be in the sub 200$ price bracket! wouldnt that microsoft and sony crap bricks, their competitors system costing 200$ less than any of their systems!

Weebl · Post by **Weebl** » Tue May 16, 2006 7:46 pm

Triton wrote:i have been hearing rumors that the wee cold be in the sub 200$ price bracket! wouldnt that microsoft and sony crap bricks, their competitors system costing 200$ less than any of their systems!

Well according to this article, the Sega vice president of marketing thinks that the Wii could certainly sell for less than 200. Certainly awesome news if true, but who knows how much it will end up costing. I seem to be thinking 250 like many others here, but for me that's a small price to pay for a new console.

gamemasterAS · Post by **gamemasterAS** » Tue May 16, 2006 7:52 pm

Weebl wrote:
Triton wrote:i have been hearing rumors that the wee cold be in the sub 200$ price bracket! wouldnt that microsoft and sony crap bricks, their competitors system costing 200$ less than any of their systems!
Well according to this article, the Sega vice president of marketing thinks that the Wii could certainly sell for less than 200. Certainly awesome news if true, but who knows how much it will end up costing. I seem to be thinking 250 like many others here, but for me that's a small price to pay for a new console.

Yep Im ready for a 150 price tag.